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Month of January '99


Robert T Lee--- Hi! I usually do not post at this time because I have a format you know. I wait at a specific time for the only person to show up to post my (s)pam. Actually we are one in the same but I am a li(tt)le more vulgar when I am PETER. Here is my link! - 0:01:25 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 0:02:06 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Are you finished phren??? - 0:02:57 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Rob~~~of the roses that is I just got back from a trip. My modem broke again too. Grant... It appears are flippant phren is playing with the yule trees. Funny but Adam likes to mix words also . I lawyer I think, but really I am a lawyer. You can be anything you want on this pc. Sounds witty. Wait I said that when I was PapaSam. - 0:07:53 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 0:09:01 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

A TAOIST WHO LIKES SEMASIOLOGY:I am still trying to find out what Lips in the Hills represents. Rob I was the one who said you can be anything you want on this pc. I do not want to go off on a rant here and talk about a circle. - 0:13:54 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

When I'm feeling tired... She puts you through the door... I crawl towards the cursed alley... Sometimes I can't find my way... This curtain's (pwca) spellbound (still round)... So get all that you can... A cool man is toughening/too plain... A good hosing down... When the hate in my field (ma)eternal all four... Cannot look me in the eyes... But I asked the years ham radio blew... And the car, twist, mouth, fear! Yaaah!!! I think so... I think so... I think so... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Back when 'twas a party I scratched with my nails I see now that she's just like me Why do they not try to escape? They bring out the holy ones They pointed my way They come with the flashing lights And take my family away An-gr-y later I am known to Slap some friends of ridicule My whole existence is for your fears And that is why I'm here with you! Don't taaaake Me awaaaaay You're round Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana... - 0:16:05 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Steven... I refuse to read this (s)pam. Here is my site again. Wait!!! I or should I say an atheist who can't get laid to save the life of the web site. I am having a good time ; give it a try Pam. Perhaps we will 'see' Pam spinning around at this site. Sorry, PapaSm/Carl I used some of your sayings, but does it matter. - 0:21:01 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk - 0:22:36 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Steven... I am glad you are having a good time and understand my posts because you know Joe does also. I know you mentioned spin baby spin one time. A familiar --(-)cats are very what again. I have to go with what the ex-atheist says about dabbling in the occult. - 0:25:40 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 0:27:42 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Are you finished phren??? Pam the others do not know such anti-rationalism. How many times have I used such sayings. Too lucid. - 0:31:30 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 0:32:09 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:PAM--DITTO ON THE EX-ATHIEST DABBLING - 0:33:13 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

When I'm feeling tired... She puts you through the door... I crawl towards the cursed alley... Sometimes I can't find my way... This curtain's (pwca) spellbound (still round)... So get all that you can... A cool man is toughening/too plain... A good hosing down... When the hate in my field (ma)eternal all four... Cannot look me in the eyes... But I asked the years ham radio blew... And the car, twist, mouth, fear! Yaaah!!! I think so... I think so... I think so... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Back when 'twas a party I scratched with my nails I see now that she's just like me Why do they not try to escape? They bring out the holy ones They pointed my way They come with the flashing lights And take my family away An-gr-y later I am known to Slap some friends of ridicule My whole existence is for your fears And that is why I'm here with you! Don't taaaake Me awaaaaay You're round Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana... - 0:33:56 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Adam@@@ this is my page as the most immoral athesit there is. What am I saying Rob of the roses used immoral AWHILE ago with that emotive thingee again. - 0:36:42 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk - 0:37:23 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Keith:The privilege of a lifetime is being who you are. David/me said that to Joette/me back in the day. I'll post a death stance web site and dabble in the occult. Surrealism and all as Carl/me states but Carl/me states I am into the spirit world too much as Pam is into the magic(k)al world too much. I start to talk likeeeeeeeeee the ex-atheist. No that was Mrs.Scwann. - 0:42:45 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Joette--> Keith your web site is beautiful not sad like the way Pam (s)pams. - 0:44:31 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 0:45:37 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Here is MIMM2 the link again but I posted as Adam, PapaSam, jaywilson before so I guess good times done. - 0:47:21 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 0:48:05 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rOB ---Marlene where are you today??? Maybe I will post a Ludwig Wittgenstein quote since you love quotes so much. Inferior and all. - 0:51:19 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 0:51:42 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

a Taoist again----maybe I should wait 2 hours before posting this because my page might become inferior and such:rOB......I like Chinese proverbs you know. It seems rOB did not want to give away his Druidism to all participants. Am I really this anal retentive. Gothic,,, oh alot of people are into that too. - 0:56:22 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Joette--> Keith your web site is beautiful not sad like the way Pam (s)pams - 0:58:05 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

When I'm feeling tired... She puts you through the door... I crawl towards the cursed alley... Sometimes I can't find my way... This curtain's (pwca) spellbound (still round)... So get all that you can... A cool man is toughening/too plain... A good hosing down... When the hate in my field (ma)eternal all four... Cannot look me in the eyes... But I asked the years ham radio blew... And the car, twist, mouth, fear! Yaaah!!! I think so... I think so... I think so... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Nirvana... Back when 'twas a party I scratched with my nails I see now that she's just like me Why do they not try to escape? They bring out the holy ones They pointed my way They come with the flashing lights And take my family away An-gr-y later I am known to Slap some friends of ridicule My whole existence is for your fears And that is why I'm here with you! Don't taaaake Me awaaaaay You're round Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana... - 0:59:00 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Bill:to be or not to be . IF PAM wants to (s)pam let her and ignore. I am sounding a tad like the Taoist here since I uphold the Taoist, the Druid, and other elements. I like to pop in very so often because I have a superiority complex like the Tony. - 1:01:57 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 1:02:31 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Teachers looking for online nutrition information can access "From Farm to Fork with Idaho Jones," a three lesson curriculum on how potatoes are grown, harvested, shipped and marketed. Blackline masters and related activity sheets are included with each lesson. This curriculum is supposed to be aimed at grades K-3. While the lesson plans may be best used with grades 2 and 3, the activity sheets are most appropriate for grades K and 1. Teachers should be able, though, to adapt the materials in lessons one and two for their students. - 1:04:06 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Robert T Lee... I call myself the teacher and pretend I am a vulger theist. You atheists and all are a bunch of --(-)apes. How about you rOB (PICK A TOPIC)??? - 1:07:16 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Teachers looking for online nutrition information can access "From Farm to Fork with Idaho Jones," a three lesson curriculum on how potatoes are grown, harvested, shipped and marketed. Blackline masters and related activity sheets are included with each lesson. This curriculum is supposed to be aimed at grades K-3. While the lesson plans may be best used with grades 2 and 3, the activity sheets are most appropriate for grades K and 1. Teachers should be able, though, to adapt the materials in lessons one and two for their students. - 1:08:00 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 1:08:32 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Are you finished phren??? Pam the others do not know such anti-rationalism. How many times have I used such sayings. Too lucid. I would not think a mystic would want to stay at a athesit site. I would say you are an atheist - 1:12:29 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 1:13:06 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

bob to Grant hmmm!!! - 1:14:17 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

```Down the subway stairs - 1:14:52 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Joette I am looking at the trees in my backyard now:PAM... Tell me about them I am extremely curious. Your complexity has no bounds. - 1:17:12 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

pour milk onto the ground - 1:18:52 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 1:19:19 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 1:19:42 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Ex-athesit... Am I dabbling in the occult now? Question it or not you would not believe me anyway. I was once like you all. - 1:21:17 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Teachers looking for online nutrition information can access "From Farm to Fork with Idaho Jones," a three lesson curriculum on how potatoes are grown, harvested, shipped and marketed. Blackline masters and related activity sheets are included with each lesson. This curriculum is supposed to be aimed at grades K-3. While the lesson plans may be best used with grades 2 and 3, the activity sheets are most appropriate for grades K and 1. Teachers should be able, though, to adapt the materials in lessons one and two for their students. - 1:21:49 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

and more bright blessings to you Pam - 1:22:23 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 1:23:13 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:--> I hope you enjoy talking to yourself; you remind me of myself and of course David. - 1:25:17 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 1:25:55 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Here is MIMM2 the link again but I posted as Adam, PapaSam, jaywilson before so I guess good times done. - 1:26:34 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 1:27:09 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette--- I gave you what you wanted now get lost you bitch. - 1:28:16 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

David --- I am going to pretend I believe in Satan. - 1:29:36 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 1:30:18 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:DAVID--- It seems to me you do. Joette and Pam I have Redwood trees in my backyard but they do not do a thingeee for me. - 1:32:31 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

David to Marlene GET LOST YOU BITCH!!! - 1:33:53 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

A TAOIST AGAIN:a Taoist again----maybe I should wait 2 hours before posting this because my page might become inferior and such:rOB......I like Chinese proverbs you know. It seems rOB did not want to give away his Druidism to all participants. Am I really this anal retentive. Gothic,,, oh alot of people are into that too. - 1:34:56 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

```Down the subway stairs - 1:38:01 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky *** My keyboard just got wet but I love you anyway Papa. - 1:39:37 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 1:40:08 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Should I tell myself to get lost. What the hell we are all --(-)worm food anyhows. Get lost Ricky I am 83 years old and will continue to live. - 1:42:19 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

RTL... IN A VULGAR TONE... YES THIS DRUID BELIEVES IN SATAN AND THE REST OF YOU ARE DOOMED! - 1:46:21 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 1:47:06 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Pam to RTL ...THAT LEGENDARY DIVORCE IS SUCH A BORE AND DAVID SEE WHAT YOU/ THESE FUDAMENTALISTS DO AND LABEL US.EXPLETIVE. - 1:49:29 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 1:50:29 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:to the(s)pammer... what gives with all these capitals. Wait I said that before a long time ago. I am starting to understand you. - 1:53:04 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Joette--> Help me in that regard. How is the baby doing? ADAM--> Do the --(-)Blue Jays have a good team come spring training? - 1:55:55 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 1:58:12 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Jerry:Abuse I 'see' it in the rEVERSED maP. Ditto about the dabble by the ex-atheist, but you would not believe me anyway. I am immoral and I am the real --(-) EllA. - 2:01:38 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

```Down the subway stairs - 2:02:30 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene to Jerry Say it is not true. I do not believe in the supernatural anyway even if I told you. LOL! That idiot Druid is such a child to make fun of me; I am staring at my Redwood trees right now. They are nice! - 2:05:42 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

yesss, Jerry will wait for --(-)EllA to respond by typing the comment in the box below, adding your name and URL (if you wish) in those boxes, - 2:10:44 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) or maybe this --(-)monkey of *psi will leave the time - 2:12:18 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Ex-athesit.:Am I dabbling in the occult now? Question it or not you would not believe me anyway. I was once like you all. - 2:13:23 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

sensilble (s)pamming by Marlene The Druids emerged from the ancient Celtic tribes, at a time when the people had to live close to nature to survive. By the light of the storyteller's fire, and with the play of the harp, the Druids dreamed magic for their people. In the deep woods they would gather, bringing together their mysticism and philosophy, their insight and learning. Their spirit emerged from the the tides of the sea, the light of the sun, the wind in the Oak, the cry of the deer. In this way, they created an institution that inspired, frightened, and uplifted their world. The moon still dances for us now as she did then, and so the wonder of Nature remains as awesome as in those lost days. The Druids may be gone, but their magic is not. It may yet emerge from the earth again, if we remember her and love her again. - 2:17:08 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk - 2:17:56 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:--> BUT Steven I already posted that one on druidism. Lucid dreaming - 2:20:10 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 2:20:47 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Lith~~~You know I'm involved with black magic(k)??? They borrow!!! Eyes... - 2:23:48 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 2:24:30 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

--(-)EllA You are your own God; You are your own God; You are your own God... in whom, you are not pleased but red; I whispered obviously - 2:24:45 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:PUNCHLINE...The pope just went by on rollerskates. I just got back from a seminar, right Jo. To Ricky--hey Vanelli. - 2:27:33 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

WOLFEN (1981) - 2:28:06 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-) ELLA - 2:28:20 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

yesss, Jerry will wait for --(-)EllA to respond by typing the comment in the box below, adding your name and URL (if you wish) in those boxes,perhaps with the label --(-)Snapper lover - 2:30:02 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 2:30:39 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Chucky:WE'RE PHRENS TILL THE END. HAPPY NEW YEAR --(-)EllA...lus mor - 2:32:08 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

--(-)EllA You are your own God; You are your own God; You are your own God... in whom, you are not pleased but red; I whispered obviously - 2:32:49 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

a thank you offends them --(-) EllA - 2:34:58 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

be you 2 or not ELLA??? - 2:37:14 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Ex-athesit.:Am I dabbling in the occult now? Question it or not you would not believe me anyway. I was once like you all. - 2:38:53 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:PAPASAM- Happy New Year to you to!!! I wish I were there with jaywilson and the boodies rather than sitting here in the -30! I shall watch the ball come down anyway... - 5:50:18 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam: Marlene... neuk - 18:51:10 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Joette --> PapaSam Are you a good witch or a bad witch? That flippant phren down under, it would not be nice considering I can't contact the head of this page. Afterall at times it becomes unreachable with a server error but you would not believe me anyway. What do you mean by arrogant? I want to know even though I am my own god. Pleased, you would not know even if I told you. - 18:57:01 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

pour milk onto the ground - 18:57:34 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 18:57:59 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil and a thank you offends them --(-)EllA - 18:58:54 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:You know I'm involved with black magic(k)??? They borrow!!! Eyes - 19:00:00 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

dana---to Marlene You/me thought Contact was a good movie considering jaywilson lives up in the great white north. - 19:02:08 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk - 19:02:42 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:dana Say it is not true. I do not believe in the supernatural anyway even if I told you. LOL! That idiot Druid is such a child to make fun of me; I am staring at my Redwood trees right now. They are nice! - 19:04:26 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

here is a small page dedicated too eek the cat, a purple feline who has the motto "it never hurts to help" and usually ends up in some intensely funny pain. - 19:07:16 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Ex-athesit.:Am I dabbling in the occult now? Question it or not you would not believe me anyway. I was once like you all. - 19:08:36 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene (s)ensible spamming:. Stand West of the Altar facing East. Make a fist with your right hand, and strike the center of your chest with it. This gesture proclaims symbolically that power is about to be drawn into your Sphere of Sensation. 2. Perform the Rite of the Qabalistic Cross. 3. Proclaim loudly, the letters: "INRI." 4. With your Planetary or Elemental Banishing Dagger, trace large golden white (the color of a candle flame) Hebrew letters before you (over the Altar from right to left). As you trace, vibrate "INRI." 5. Clasp your hands together over the center of your chest. Interlace your fingers and, if using a Dagger, hold it between your knuckles pointing upward. Extend your elbows horizontally. 6. Proclaim: "Virgo, Isis, mighty Mother. Scorpio, Apophis, destroyer. Sol, Osiris, slain and risen. Isis, Apophis, Osiris." Vibrate: "IAO." 7. Give the Sign of Osiris Slain. 8. Give the Sign of the Mourning of Isis. Proclaim: "The Sign of the mourning of Isis." 9. Give the Sign of Apophis and Typhon. Proclaim: "The Sign of Apophis and Typhon." 10. Give the Sign of Osiris Risen. Proclaim: "The Sign of Osiris." 11. Give the Sign of Osiris Slain. Proclaim: "Slain." 12. Give the Sign of Osiris Risen. Proclaim: "And risen." 13. Give the Sign of Osiris Slain. Inhale slowly and deeply. 14. Give the Sign of the Mourning of Isis. Proclaim: "L," and exhale slowly and completely. 15. Give the Sign of Apophis and Typhon. Proclaim: "V," and inhale slowly and deeply. 16. Give the Sign of Osiris Risen. Proclaim: "X." "LVX," and exhale slowly and completely. 17. Give the Sign of Osiris Slain. Proclaim: "the Light," and inhale slowly and deeply. 18. Give the Sign of Osiris Risen. Proclaim: "of the cross," and exhale slowly and completely. 19. Perform either the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Hexagram (when being used in conjunction with that Ritual), or finish with the Rite of the Qabalistic Cross. I (s)pammed something like this some time ago. I believed in it, but now I do not. None of you can believe this because I was once like the ex-atheist. - 19:21:56 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 19:22:35 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

here is a small page dedicated too eek the cat, a purple feline who has the motto "it never hurts to help" and usually ends up in some intensely funny pain. - 19:23:14 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam to Marlene My familiar post but the druid would not know anyway even if I told the tree freak. I was once like you and enjoy banishing the ex-atheist/myself even though I pretend to dabble in the occult. I did you know but no one would believe me because I am too busy telling (s)pammers to get lost. I am my own god too even know I have no idea what I dabble. - 19:27:56 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Here is my link again for MIMM2. Give it a try even though I am still posting here as a familiar. The others are having a good time there but you would not believe me even if you did come to my site. Anyway I was once like the ex-atheist. I have a --(-) pit-bull display even if I do not tell myself that. (S)pam I finally understood your post here at MIMM2. Give it a try. - 19:33:21 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk - 19:34:03 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

--(-)EllA You are your own God; You are your own God; You are your own God... in whom, you are not pleased but red; I whispered obviously - 19:34:44 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:You know I'm involved with black magic(k)??? They borrow!!! Eyes - 19:35:41 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 19:36:06 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene... Ah duh I think it is that druid again. Weeds you know. I did not post that silly rite; all such things are nonsense. I used to beleive in the supernatural like the ex-atheist but none of you would believe me because it is not logical. I am my own god also you know but since this is an atheist site why do we put up with such nonsense. Right Spock. - 19:40:22 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Spock:I meld with the trees you know Marlene. Maybe I should wait an hour before I post this. I want to be logical; I was once a believer in our nonsense Marlene. No one cares ,especially PapaSam. - 19:43:07 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

here is a small page dedicated too eek the cat, a purple feline who has the motto "it never hurts to help" and usually ends up in some intensely funny pain. - 19:43:45 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 19:45:24 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Chucky:WE'RE PHRENS TILL THE END. HAPPY NEW YEAR Marlene...lus mor - 19:46:30 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk - 19:48:39 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Rob --nirvana can we find it:PAM . Sounds tranquil. Am I --(-)fish or --(-)fowl??? I am curious like Joette/myself. I do not want to appear so abusive even though I told rOB I was immoral once. You would not beleive me anyway if I told you the mark of the beast comes. I heard of some razor they used in the movie Contact. It does away with such nonsense. Noone believes me though. All of you. - 19:54:15 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Joette~~~Lith how does one meld with the trees. I find that you are afraid the others might be so abusive if you expounded on your Druid beliefs. You can e-mail me if you want but that would appear too lucid as I am immoral. You would not belive me even if I believed in any religious ways. Lucid dreaming - 19:57:48 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

here is a small page dedicated too eek the cat, a purple feline who has the motto "it never hurts to help" and usually ends up in some intensely funny pain. - 19:59:09 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Are you finished phren??? I like that in a --(-)bird. Lucid - 20:00:18 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

rumpots - 20:03:09 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene---Since this druid is finally leaving, I will post that Druidism guide once again even though as Joette and Steven I posted it long before. No one believes I did that for it might appear so lucid that the tree lover will not notice. Since I whine about abuse all day. I dabble in it but you would not believe me because I am my own god but I have no idea why I post such sensible nonsense. - 20:07:17 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

here is a small page dedicated too eek the cat, a purple feline who has the motto "it never hurts to help" and usually ends up in some intensely funny pain. - 20:08:09 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Passing through--->:I give that the FLICK. Sounds lucid!!! - 20:09:11 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:You know I'm involved with black magic(k)??? They borrow!!! Eyes - 20:10:10 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk - 20:11:26 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Jerry:Who is this --(-)EllA??? I hope for the return ride. I have never conversed with you Marlene but I enjoy your lovely posts with no hidden abuse. Grant says there is room ;be like Grant. - 20:13:54 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

When I'm feeling tired She puts you through the door I crawl towards the cursed alley Sometimes I can't find my way This curtain's (pwca) spellbound (still round) So get all that you can A cool man is toughening/too plain A good hosing down When the hate in my field (ma)eternal all four Cannot look me in the eyes But I asked the years ham radio blew And the car, twist, mouth, fear! Yaaah! I think so I think so I think so Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana... Back when 'twas a party I scratched with my nails I see now that she's just like me Why do they not try to escape? They bring out the holy ones They pointed my way They come with the flashing lights And take my family away An-gr-y later I am known to Slap some friends of ridicule My whole existence is for your fears And that is why I'm here with you! Don't taaaake Me awaaaaay You're round Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana... - 20:18:11 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Ex-athesit.:Am I dabbling in the occult now? Question it or not you would not believe me anyway. I was once like you all. - 20:19:16 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk - 20:22:31 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Mrs. Scwann:I like Morrisey. Discuss Carl? I no you like Rammstein. - 20:26:48 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:TO THE IDIOT SPAMMER WHO IS POSTING MESSAGES USING MY NAME AND THE NAMES OF OTHER ATHEISTS. It is obvious by the nature of your postings that you are an impostor. Your feeble attempts at trying to pass as one of us are ludricous. Your IQ is far too low. Go back to your RTL site where you can feel at home. If you think you can drive us from our site with your activities you're mistaken. Why don't you try prayer to drive us out of existence? Perhaps you accept the saying that nothing is as useless as prayer. - 21:57:29 on 1 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:PAPASAM- If we actually believed in prayer, we could pray for the druid to go away but I'm afraid it would only prove that nothing fails like prayer. Did you happen to watch Dateline tonight on the "miracle" thing? - 1:41:48 on 2 Jan 99 GMT

James--->Marlene & PapaSam:The spammer is a bit relentless. I like the fact that you guys refuse to let this ass have his way. I suspect he does not do this by hand. It is possible that a program is being used to do this. I can't imagine anyone caring enough to stay at it so long. Were you folks able to talk Ron into doing something about it? Spamming is one thing, but using the alias of others is really below the belt. Most of us are smart enough to know better but it still stinks. - 16:08:07 on 2 Jan 99 GMT

Jesus Klingon:Hello? - 1:19:13 on 3 Jan 99 GMT

Goodbye. *poof* - 1:20:16 on 3 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:JAMES- As Grant says, maybe he's ready to implode, maybe the process has already begun??? Anyway, I doubt he uses a program (although he could use one, IMO). - 5:11:30 on 3 Jan 99 GMT

jaywilson--an immodest proposal--:MARLENE: May I suggest a twelve-step program, requiring only an eleven-step ladder and a fall of no less than thirty feet? - 17:11:12 on 3 Jan 99 GMT

Captain Horatio Hornblower:know the truth is out there - 3:52:52 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

Jerry:Who is this --(-)EllA??? I hope for the return ride. I have never conversed with you Marlene but I enjoy your lovely posts with no hidden abuse. Grant says there is room ;be like Grant. - 3:54:17 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

``` Down the subway stairs - 3:56:19 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

Edward Gibbon:All that is human must retrograde if it do not advance - 4:37:06 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:You know I'm involved with black magic(k)??? They borrow!!! Eyes - 4:37:58 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

When I'm feeling tired She puts you through the door I crawl towards the cursed alley Sometimes I can't find my way This curtain's (pwca) spellbound (still round) So get all that you can A cool man is toughening/too plain A good hosing down When the hate in my field (ma)eternal all four Cannot look me in the eyes But I asked the years ham radio blew And the car, twist, mouth, fear! Yaaah! I think so I think so I think so Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana... Back when 'twas a party I scratched with my nails I see now that she's just like me Why do they not try to escape? They bring out the holy ones They pointed my way They come with the flashing lights And take my family away An-gr-y later I am known to Slap some friends of ridicule My whole existence is for your fears And that is why I'm here with you! Don't taaaake Me awaaaaay You're round Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana Nirvana... - 4:40:05 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:A(ll)... I must touch(ea) up on my William Golding!!! - 5:17:51 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

Dall ram - 5:18:24 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

Ex-athesit.:Am I dabbling in the occult now? Question it or not you would not believe me anyway. I was once like you all. - 5:19:14 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

To everyone- If you all really think that prayer actually fails, then i feel sorry for all of you. Someday you will all be face to face with GOD and you regret every word you are saying in here. I will pray for you all, but if you have already made up your minds to be foolish, that is your own stupid fault. I know that you all have something to say to me now, so you can e-mail me at: ixoye_4ever_rulz@hotmail.com In the mean time, I'll be praying. - 6:55:52 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:FISH RULZ-- It's a terrible thing to live in fear, especially of shadows. I'll be *hoping* for you. The results will be identical I'd wager. - 7:02:13 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:OPEN: The druid's penchant for the 'magic' and an 'innocence of a primitive age' when the human organism was in a harmonious existence with nature, where did 'they' exist? It wasn't in the dark ages, was it when europe was being settled? Did they exist on atlantis? Were they the mythical imaginary civilisation that built the sphinx? Were they the people who existed in the area of the sahara before it was made into a desert? If they were but the early settlers of Europe then they were just the most destructive organism ever known. But it would be very interesting I think, to know where and when these magical times existed, if at all it is outside of someone's imagination. - 16:43:48 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

yeah, adenial...a denial...a denial:He/she cast a grim shadow... Through the busy street... Said he/she was a junkie... And he/she punctuated his/her walk with a gun... Motiveless murder... The papers scream... The cops all said... The crowd was iced by the sight... Oh baby don't it make you feel so bad... Dark clouds are over the street... After what I read, I can hardly feel my heart... My heart beat... Down the subway stairs... After him they leapt... An echo snap and scream of fire... The hot pursuit was done... For the last time he felt the light... And gave up his/her last fight... Oh baby don't it make you feel so bad... Dark clouds are over the street... After what I read, I can hardly feel my heart... My heart beat... - 18:06:53 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

paper - 18:07:53 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

paper mister - 18:09:12 on 4 Jan 99 GMT

Adam LADDER, NOT FORMER ÅÅÅÅÅ:OK, Jay, you "rung" up a couple of points with the 12-step joke. - 0:21:35 on 5 Jan 99 GMT

Man is Man Made 2:. - 1:52:08 on 5 Jan 99 GMT

Man is Man Made 2 (revised):. - 1:55:53 on 5 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31:They appear above a threshold in the applied electric field, and their transverse wave number and oscillation frequency agree well with the values predicted by stability analysis. - 8:45:42 on 5 Jan 99 GMT

prestidigitatory illusion - 9:00:28 on 5 Jan 99 GMT

kteis - 9:45:55 on 5 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:OPEN: You kno'bout WJC's extra kid right? We kno'bout his needs for sexual gratification. I bet, a lotta Iraqi types and those poor dead people killed when the USA bombed that supposed for war chemical plant, they'd all still be living if the USA wasn't so fuckin'hung up about the simple act of reproduction. If WJC was at those times still regularly gettin'satiated, maybe things would be different? Afterall, ain't nothin better than 'that' willingness and want in the eye, leave that part o'BJC, aka WJC, alone. - 15:52:45 on 5 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Ms.SWANN, "...no you like rammstein"????? - 15:55:02 on 5 Jan 99 GMT

veneficium - 18:03:30 on 6 Jan 99 GMT

salve - 18:04:22 on 6 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 18:06:43 on 6 Jan 99 GMT

phrens till the end,,, right --(-)EllA - 18:09:06 on 6 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-)EllA - 18:15:05 on 6 Jan 99 GMT

ain't nothin b(e)tter than 'that' wi(ll)ingness and w(a)nt in the EYE - 18:17:42 on 6 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 0:21:11 on 7 Jan 99 GMT

revised and removed and separate - 18:37:02 on 7 Jan 99 GMT

ain't nothin b(e)tter than 'that' wi(ll)ingness and w(a)nt in the EYE - 18:51:18 on 7 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-)EllA - 18:52:03 on 7 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:OPEN: Public education[This of nature?] offends them, who? The republicans, methinks. Why? Well, as grade schooler CA then was reputed as one the uppermost public education systems in the 50 states. Then, R.Regan got to be the first of a series o'republican guv.w/J.Brown slipping in. Now, the CA public school system rests at the bottom of the fifty states. I dare think that CA is still[?] better off than the cousining state o'Mississippi. The improvement of that system is the first cry o'the new CA guv, Grey. We'll see. - 21:55:43 on 7 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-) EllA; as they are their own God's... - 0:02:18 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Bapho-Nylrothrotep - 17:48:46 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:OPEN: There was no way I was gonna walk around this place with my dork hanging out. - 18:00:43 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

dana:Carl: Please help! I have an analytical essay : to write over Lord of the --(-)Flies. The : topic is: Analyze how Golding's : pessimism about human nature and the : idea that evil is an inborn : characteristic are revealed in the novel. : (Consider, according to Golding, is a : man by nature good or evil? Where does : the evil come from? If it's in : children, was it always in adults?) : There are four themes, they are: : *Power(use and abuse of it) : *Fear of the unknown : *Need for Civilization : *Innocence and the loss of it - 18:08:01 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

look, man, if there's one thing I know, its how to drive while I'm stoned. You know your perception is completely ...... so you just let your hands work the controls as if you were straight - 18:12:01 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:ANY; who used my pseudonym and "OPEN" address to you other participants? - 18:16:12 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Steven :ANY <<>> Man is Man made II, is spam free, come and enjoy, hehe sound like a salesman. - 18:19:26 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

You're boned like a saint... With the consciousness of a --(-)snake... You're the kind of girl... I'd like to find... Face like an angel... But you're boned like the devil... Your eyes have shifted from me... Everyone saw what you did... You have slipped from beneath me... Like a false and nervous --(-)squid... Oh no more --(-) horses horses... We're gonna swim like a --(-)fish... Into the hole, in which you planned to ditch me... My lovely Vera Marie... You planned to leave me cold... But you'll never get your wish... On the 24th of May... I'll gather up your reins... You filled me with a vengeance... And you touched me with your breath... I'm gonna pull you from this dance... You're gonna ride so easily... Oh no more --(-)horses horses... We're gonna swim like a --(-)fish... Into the hole, in which you planned to ditch me... My lovely Vera Marie... I was your victim... I was well deceived... The Burning Times built on regret... But I love your naked neck... And evil lies that you told me... Could make me believe your two-faced... Because two faces have you... And they're both gonna go... Oh no more --(-) horses horses.... We're gonna swim like a --(-)fish... Into the hole, in which you planned to ditch me... My lovely Vera Gemini... - 18:21:11 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->rOB Is that you? The Belmont stakes coming up you know. Remote viewing and all. - 18:24:06 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

(s)pam free*** The Druids emerged from the ancient Celtic tribes, at a time when the people had to live close to nature to survive. By the light of the storyteller's fire, and with the play of the harp, the Druids dreamed magic for their people. In the deep woods they would gather, bringing together their mysticism and philosophy, their insight and learning. Their spirit emerged from the the tides of the sea, the light of the sun, the wind in the Oak, the cry of the deer. In this way, they created an institution that inspired, frightened, and uplifted their world. The moon still dances for us now as she did then, and so the wonder of Nature remains as awesome as in those lost days. The Druids may be gone, but their magic is not. It may yet emerge from the earth again, if we remember her and love her again. - 18:26:50 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Steven... Understand??? - 18:28:17 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Carl... A toy most prerequiste. Own??? - 18:31:15 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

dana:Carl... As Joette states ---you are a good person---Open it again, but why not addresss my question directly. hmmm. - 18:35:36 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Gary Jennings is a free-lance writer. He is also the author of Black Magic, White Magic, and The Killer Storms. - 18:37:43 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:dana, since it looks like there's gonna be two Carl pseudonyms, howu gonna kno'the difference? - 18:42:17 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:ANY AND OF COURSE OPEN As these druids ramble on in their weird postings, o' the k letter misplaced. Of what use in their long diatribes is this??? Banal really. Of the godthing I 'see' none still by these adherents. It is good to hear from you Joette. Of the Lith do we really grow tired of it? - 18:43:01 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

kteis - 18:43:39 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-) EllA; as they are their own God's - 18:44:38 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

ain't nothin b(e)tter than 'that' wi(ll)ingness and w(a)nt in the EYE - 18:45:22 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

veneficium - 18:47:04 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

salve - 18:47:43 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Bapho-Nylrothrotep - 18:48:15 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 18:48:53 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Steve:Carl. I 'see' all is well with MIMM2. - 18:52:10 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Carl. I 'see' all is well with MIMM2. - 18:52:30 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

ain't nothin b(e)tter than 'that' wi(ll)ingness and w(a)nt in the EYE - 18:53:29 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:dana, do you see what I mean? It appears the other "Carl" has been watchin'this site, long enough- anyway, to be familiar with the composition styles I like. This could be interesting and even sorta'fun. I'll have to see if I can hang in with that other "Carl". - 18:54:42 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Looks like they let out the nutcases again and I thought RTL was bad but Carl is good;I agree with you Joette... Did you 'see' the X-files last week. - 18:56:29 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Looks like they let out the nutcases again and I thought RTL was bad but Carl is good;I agree with you Joette... Did you 'see' the X-files last week. - 18:56:39 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:STEVEN; Is that you, or is it another? - 18:58:07 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

dana:Carl: Please help! I have an analytical essay : to write over Lord of the --(-)Flies. The : topic is: Analyze how Golding's : pessimism about human nature and the : idea that evil is an inborn : characteristic are revealed in the novel. : (Consider, according to Golding, is a : man by nature good or evil? Where does : the evil come from? If it's in : children, was it always in adults?) : There are four themes, they are: : *Power(use and abuse of it) : *Fear of the unknown : *Need for Civilization : *Innocence and the loss of it - 19:01:38 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Rob the immoral song:I think it is that. - 19:04:00 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

a familiar: It appears the other "Carl" has been watchin'this site, long enough- anyway, to be familiar with the composition styles I like. This could be interesting and even sorta'fun. I'll have to see if I can hang in with that other "Carl". - 19:05:48 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

rOB: Rob... Are you talking to me??? Immoral sounds tranquil. - 19:07:19 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette--- You bitch I gave you everything you wanted. - 19:08:54 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette--- You bitch I gave you everything you wanted. - 19:09:08 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Ex-atheist:Did we ever do a dabble in the occult by posting test? I am an atheist like you so I have no clue why I'll have to see if I can hang in with that other "Carl". All of you would not believe me anyway. The other site also a ditto for that. - 19:12:58 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:--> For some reason Ex-atheist you like to have a conversation with yourself, about yourself or with another. David-there are alot of things you can call me also. I get sad when I see other atheists attacking Pam in this manner. - 19:17:02 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Joette... I will miss you the most here. I can not stay long because of geas and all. - 19:18:33 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Skippy Skip:David... I agree with you for death goes. - 19:19:37 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Bapho-Nylrothrotep - 19:22:51 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

dana:Carl: Please help! I have an analytical essay : to write over Lord of the --(-)Flies. The : topic is: Analyze how Golding's : pessimism about human nature and the : idea that evil is an inborn : characteristic are revealed in the novel. : (Consider, according to Golding, is a : man by nature good or evil? Where does : the evil come from? If it's in : children, was it always in adults?) : There are four themes, they are: : *Power(use and abuse of it) : *Fear of the unknown : *Need for Civilization : *Innocence and the loss of it - 19:23:46 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:ANY AND OF COURSE OPEN As these druids ramble on in their weird postings, o' the k letter misplaced. Of what use in their long diatribes is this??? Banal really. Of the godthing I 'see' none still by these adherents. It is good to hear from you Joette. Of the Lith do we really grow tired of it? - 19:24:34 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Steven :CARL <<>> No the last post that was made by me was posting the mimm2 web site. - 20:39:35 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Peter:dana-survival is instinctive, but one must learn that it is to one's advantage ultimately to live within the confines of peace co-existence..as all beings share the same. However, one will always 'know' their instincts, and act upon those, before they act on something they will learn, or discover - 21:31:56 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Rob (Eh? Not I!):Immoral? Get it right rOB... "a"moral! - 21:57:15 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

Rob(Good luck to/for MIM):jayW: Not wanting to ignore you, hope you had a happy New Year's ;) - 22:02:10 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

```Down the subway stairs... by I.P. Freely. - 22:59:37 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

"Rusty Bedsprings"...by I.P. Nightly - 23:35:10 on 8 Jan 99 GMT

The real Joette:Adam...I beseech you..put your pride in the top desk of your drawer and "come into the light".... - 4:30:25 on 9 Jan 99 GMT

REDUX!!!!!!! My dyslexia got control of me there...s/b top drawer of your desk..not the other way around...duh! - 4:33:00 on 9 Jan 99 GMT

```Down the subway stairs... by I.P. Freely; oh yes, nature offends them --(-) EllA. - 14:00:51 on 9 Jan 99 GMT

white bread and milk... pour milk on the ground... for they will not even u(dd)er you name --(-) Ella - 14:13:27 on 9 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) allows one to float at peace within the song… Else, whaleshit! - 15:02:17 on 9 Jan 99 GMT

glamour... gleas... goodbye, EllA! - 15:03:03 on 9 Jan 99 GMT

Cugel--- "My thoughts exactly(!)" - 15:04:44 on 9 Jan 99 GMT

James--->Atheist...:I have had some interesting conversations as of late with a person who is quite smitten with the whole religious scene from the standpoint that he is very much a believer. This person is somewhat like myself in some respects but in terms of philosophy we are at opposite poles. I remain agnostic still requiring that I apply the process of elimination to prove God does not exist. While I do not believe in God because his/her/it’s existence has not been proven to my satisfaction, nor have I disproved it either. Now some of you are rolling your eyes and ready to pound the keyboard already. Hold those thoughts; I will be the first to point out that the burden of proof lies on the individual postulating the affirmative argument. In this case the argument being that God exist. Again, this is a position that seems unlikely and most probably impossible. BUT, how often must a scientist attempt a combination of controls and variables for the purpose of simply ruling them out. How often must I try many different things to eliminate them as possible causes of problems with computers or automobiles. I find myself frequently reduced to the process of elimination to aid in my ability to come to the right conclusion. When I throw God in as a variable in my attempts to discover the origin of all things, by the very nature of the God concept, I cannot eliminate it. For a God to exist it would have to exist outside of infinity because all I am capable of perceiving is that which is within infinity through the use of sight, sound, touch, taste, smell, deductive reasoning, emotion and mathematics. Again, I understand that this position presupposes that there is something outside of the physical world and because I cannot eliminate the possibility, I cannot take the dogmatic position that a God does not exist. I can say I do not believe it exists but that does nothing to say that it does not in fact exist. With that said, I am open to conversation with theist who believe God has been proven to exist and that we are just unwilling to use the same deductive reasoning on the evidence that does exist and he is not speaking of the bible specifically, though it factors into his arguments from time to time as well. Unlike many theist this family member has taken quite a bit of time (in years) to study biblical history. More specifically he is about the most versed person I’ve ever spoken with when it come to learning about how the bible came to be. He understands the timeline and has very convincing arguments that simply come from the application of a little common sense and facts about carbon dated manuscripts written by many others outside of the Christian or Jewish religious circles. He is well versed in the history of the priesthood’s and how important and serious they were about the accurate transcribing of manuscripts, which held the stories, and the law man was to abide by. It is in this way that all of our ancient history has been handed up until such time as it was etched into stone or written in manuscripts. The biggest difference being that when it came to matters of God or religion the penalty for not being accurate was very severe and these priestly orders/cults took their job very seriously. When Christ is supposed to have come, he did so in fulfillment, to the word, of every prophecy made and written about the coming event. A roman historian of the time, Josephes(SP?), wrote in a manuscript that carbon dates to the time Christ supposedly walked the earth. He writes” there is a man among us who performs miraculous things and draws huge crowds of people and calls himself the Christ. Josephius(SP?) was not a religious person, was not devoutly Jewish, he was Roman and enjoyed the benefits and luxuries of that citizenship. He writes of many things of that period that have nothing to do with religion and the little time he spends on Jesus is just enough to convince you that he was not duped, brainwashed or on some mission to fool people for purposes of controlling them. It strikes me as someone who is credible, accurate and non-biased. There are many other manuscripts written by people outside the circle of God in that time. Once more, manuscripts which carbon date hundreds of years apart written by people culturally and politically different have an aire of similarity that is spooky. The Israeli government holds most of these manuscripts, including the dead sea scrolls, supposedly in fear that a public study of the manuscripts would undermine everything the non-messianic Jews have believed in for centuries. Another little known amazing fact is the shear volume of support the Christian belief system developed in such a short time. It is clear in every manuscript that speaks of Jesus that the crowds were very large and very much loved him. When the manuscripts of the New Testament were written, they were then distributed in very large numbers. They have found in excess of 25000 copies that date back to just about a hundred years after Christ died. The amazing thing about that is that copies of 2 or 3, sometimes 20 have been found concerning other things written by much more prominent people of the time. Roman historians, Herod, and other Roman leaders were lucky to have a single copy or two of their records, yet this Christian movement moved so fast and was so overwhelming they produced and we have found over 25000 copies of these ancient manuscripts. Clearly, archeologist have uncovered many sites and substantiated in part some aspect of the tales of the Old Testament. The uncovered city of Jerico with it’s walls crumbled around it still confuses scientist. Scientist agree that there is evidence all around the world that many regions of the globe suffered from a massive flood. The eruption of Mount St. Helens showed us how quickly a massive landscape can change. Perhaps the flood was the result of an impact with a celestial body that killed the dinosaurs, melted the polar caps and flooded most of the Earth. Evolutionists have retreated in the faith they have shown towards the fossil record. No one believes that a lizard laid an egg on day and out popped a chicken. No one has shown any fossil, which is an indisputable transition to a more evolved form of life. The idea that just because they found ape bones and human bones in the same cave, that that somehow is the proof, is laughable and even the evolutionist articulating that theory have retreated. Turns out, monkey brains are still a delicacy in that region. Even today they admit that a lot of imagination goes into taking these scull fragments and jaw bones and deciding how they might best fit the argument that they show a transition to modern man. Never has a dog, cat or chimpanzee written a symphony, painted a masterpiece or built a craft to propel them through space. It is clear why atheist gravitate to this faith. Evolution fits nicely into the atheist point of view because it eliminates the need for a god in so much as man is concerned, though it does little to explain the origin of all things. In all of this I am trying to say one thing. No one should have the position that God exist, nor should they have the position that he does not exist. The one thing that is clear to me as I review these arguments is simply that there is no logical path to follow to come to a conclusion, therefore no conclusions can be drawn at this time. Is it true that this position will cost me my everlasting life, if it is then I don’t want it. To condemn me based on a lack of belief or faith with what little I have to go on is ridiculous and immoral. To condemn me because I refuse to do what I innately know is right makes far more sense, but even that should be brought into question when considering the full extent of a fathers love. - 17:47:10 on 9 Jan 99 GMT

JB:Christ was not the last name of Jesus--it was a title given to him after his death. From Greek it means annointed one (eg, as in kings). If god did all those violent and crazy things as set out in the Pentateuch, and then all the other innocent humans killed by humans in his name in the subsequent centuries,then he an insane sadist. The god of scritures acts as stupidly as those who created him. Man, clearly, created god in his own image, and then proceeded to act accordingly. - 0:20:29 on 10 Jan 99 GMT

James--->JB...:The actual manuscripts refer to him as Yeshua or soething like that. It's Hebrew. - 0:53:13 on 10 Jan 99 GMT

Hummm...did the druid get sentenced to his room? - 4:36:50 on 12 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:JAMES; "The actual manuscripts" what an odd thing to think about. That you or anyone would even deign to inscribe such an idea, that merely says a mind and a hand bearing a writing utensil, they once meant to portray some mental image real but probably passed, or imaginary. If imaginary then it was but a concoction of the electrochemical processes of their mind. Who can say what moved their mind so, can even you honestly say that you understand or know? If it was something composed long ago, to say you understand or know what they meant when they wrote that whatever, is to mean that you- literally, nonsensically understand or know. Why? For us living and breathing as we compose and read "these" words, that long ago is nonexistent. You might extrapolate some probable associations of then and now, but it would be only your ever so humble opinion. So again, "the actual manuscripts" what does it matter? - 21:34:33 on 12 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:JAMES1; Just so's you don't have to wonder what kind of manuscripts would be could be considered something beyond opinion; math is one, engineering books are another and maybe some kinds of science books. This latter point well it is probably a contingent issue, how much of it you and I know of a third thing. This is just to let you know I think that some kinds of books are good. - 23:52:44 on 12 Jan 99 GMT

Adam MY DRAWERS HAVE NO DESKS...:But last time I went to court, my briefs seemed to be in order. JODESKE: If by "light," you mean M2 page, I already have explained that I have serious problems with the format and that it is not a matter of pride. GO DIRTY BIRDS!!! SPIKE the VIKES! - 1:32:08 on 13 Jan 99 GMT

PASSING THROUGH>>>>>>..:This page has dropped right off.... - 11:48:46 on 13 Jan 99 GMT

I don't see why just because something is old means it can't be trusted to mean what it said. Not saying that this means the actual manuscripts accurately describe the events contained, just arguing the logic behind Carl's first post. - 15:51:16 on 13 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:To 15:51:16, perhaps if you concerned your seeing to How or When or What, other matters could appear as others fall into a place. This works if you don't like being behind the eight ball of superstition and myth. Ever play eight ball pool? - 16:10:41 on 13 Jan 99 GMT

Rick:Speaking of manuscripts, the Bible is the most accurate set of writings I'v ever studied. The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years on three different continents by some 40 human writers. Let look at some evidence for Divine Origin of the Bible. !Fulfilled Prophecy. The predicting accurately a future event that comes to pass hundreds of years later. Lets just take the prophecies concerning Jesus. !. Place of Birth- Micah 5:2 The fulfillment comes in Luke 2:1-7 His forerunner foretold by Isiah 40:3 Fullfillment in Matt. 3:1-3 His resurrection foretold by Psalm 16:10 again fulfilled in Matt. 28:1-6 and there's more, yes you nonbelivers, better wake-up Your Christian friend, Ricky - 1:17:57 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Judson Crandall:What you buy is what you own and what you own always comes back to ya'. - 11:00:25 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Tarski, A. (1956): Logic, Semantics, Metamathematics. - 11:08:43 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->rOB is that you??? Does that mean that we all should have books sprawled by the pc. - 11:13:42 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Peter:I just post things and pretend their my own words. - 11:15:37 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Skippy Skip:PETER...suit yourself - 11:16:34 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Peter: SKIPPY--- survival is instinctive, but one must learn that it is to one's advantage ultimately to live within the confines of peace co-existence..as all beings share the same. However, one will always 'know' their instincts, and act upon those, before they act on something they will learn, or discover - 11:18:31 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:Fuck, that is better. - 11:19:22 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:<><><>PETER. CAPS and all. - 11:21:15 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

and more bright blessings to you Pam - 11:21:53 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:I just post things and pretend their my own words. - 11:23:47 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:I like it when others do it without the embarrassment. I think this Lith is an atheist considering I venture into this domain. The wizard talk. A room with a view. - 11:28:28 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Hm? You think you're cool, right? Hm? Hm? When you kicked out people [out of] your house I tell you this, one of three Americans die of cancer, you know? - 11:33:17 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Hummm...did the druid get sentenced to his room? - 11:33:58 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Rob a view to a kill:Grant... Sounds tranquil. - 11:35:14 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Rob a view to a kill:Lith... Sounds lucid. - 11:37:36 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Rob a view to a kill:And this leaves us to Pam but Steven I am the other rOB and not the Skippy Skip one. - 11:40:11 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Rob of the Roses...I am the other rOB??? Maybe we should post under a different name and do like the druid.LOL. - 11:42:48 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:I just post things and pretend their my own words - 11:43:54 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

James:Else --(-)whale/shit... - 11:45:40 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 11:49:52 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:I don't see why just because something is old means it can't be trusted to mean what it said. Not saying that this means the actual manuscripts accurately describe the events contained, just arguing the logic behind Carl's first post without the Vance tact. - 11:51:52 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Adam MY DRAWERS HAVE NO DESKS:@@@ and maybe I'll put a fragment of an oak or yew in the sentence to make it sound funny and of course lucid. - 11:54:26 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Joette... The Lith grows tired on me!!! - 11:55:49 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->Carl... Me too!!! How is your baseball coaching coming along??? - 11:57:40 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette... You are still a bitch!!! Adam,as an atheist site 'owned' by me, sports discussions waste the time here like this (s)pammer who adds nothing to the atheists' position. DON'T WASTE A GOOD THING PEOPLE. GET YOUR ACT GOING!!! - 12:02:14 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:<><><David. CAPS and all. We had that discussion on the sports talk with that other Robert and that other Steve and you, being the correct atheist. Some time ago. I like to block (s)pam myself but nevermind. My site. Fine. - 12:07:03 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:David. 'See' how the RTL's judge my kind. EXPLETIVE - 12:08:56 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:PAM...<><><>CAPS AND ALL I FINALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN IN YOUR POSTINGS. - 12:11:02 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->Steven... You said you understand Pam's posts. Can you help me out in this regard??? Lucid. - 12:13:47 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette---I gave you that Campbell site. Now go into the sun you bitch. - 12:15:19 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 12:15:56 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Hummm...did the druid get sentenced to his room? - 12:16:30 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 12:17:05 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Joette ... a thank you offends them. I will miss you most of all. - 12:19:46 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Pam... Little girl this~~~ the third time you said you were leaving us. I suggest a good doctor. - 12:21:43 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Skippy Skip:PapaSam... Good you get a cookie!!! How is your REM sleep today??? - 12:23:20 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Hummm...did the druid get sentenced to his room? - 12:24:24 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

you are your own god Judd and nature offends them --(-)EllA - 12:25:44 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:penis - 12:26:22 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:vagina - 12:27:00 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Jerboa-Redcap Books Homepage - 12:30:37 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->rOB DOES that mean we have to have books in our hands to type? Did you ever see Pet Semetary??? - 12:32:41 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette--- Keep whining a bitch!!! - 12:33:47 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

So grab your rose and ring side seat, We're back home at Conry's bar The blond girl with her tattoo, Reds and wine, cokes of course Oh my suzy, my suzy, Why did we ever start It's morning now, you'd never know The gin, the gin, glows in the dark, glows in the dark And underneath, the black light, Underneath it all Four and forty redheads meet, Come to doom 'til the dawn With threats of gas and rose motif Their lips apart like a swollen rose Their tongues extend, and then retract A redcap, a redcap, before the kiss, before the kiss. Doors like flint and window panes An endless shadow bar The owner's boys have gone to work To stop big deals behind the bar While outside on the turnpike They got this new hit tune Where thrills become as cheap as gas And gas as cheap as thrills One thrill and mundane here at last Expect the cross one more Lecherous invisible Beware the limping--(-) cat Whose black teeth grip between loose jaws Still ripe and fully bloomed A rose that's not from anywhere That you would know or I would care And the owners boys act most cheerfully Back home at Conry's bar When their patrons' thoughts at last Grow too big for their skulls And awful things are happening We've let this drama fold And now the time has come at last To crush the motif of the rose. So grab your rose and ring side seat We're back home at Conry's bar The blond girl with her tattoo Reds and wine, cokes of course Oh my suzy, my suzy Why did we ever start It's morning now, you'd never know The gin, the gin, glows in the dark, glows in the dark - 12:43:43 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:TO THE (S)PAMMER... How many times have we heard this song. Why don't you take it and shove it - 12:45:52 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Skippy Skip:PapaSam... Good you get a cookie. - 12:46:43 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Pam :PapaSam... This will be my last post. Goodbye from a misunderstood Druid. - 12:48:19 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

David:PAM... I would like you to stay even though we never conversed. I enjoy your posts. Come join Napoleon and the others. - 12:53:25 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 12:54:13 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 12:54:43 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Grant ponders sPam:Van Gogh lived a bizarre and confused life, always in dread of rejection. Nobody liked his work. To say he was unappreciated is an understatement. Of his hundreds and hundreds of paintings, only one was sold in his lifetime. The owner of a tavern where he left some of his paintings used them for target practice. An old woman used one to cover a hole in her chicken fence. Besides suffering from syphilis and gonorrhea, he became addicted to the fumes of turpentine and would sip it. He is thought to have suffered lead poisoning from holding his paint-smeared brushes in his mouth. He took his own life. One may wonder how many other poor souls live similar lives, unappreciated or even detested, but sticking with it, compelled to continue regardless of the opinions of others, but with the one major difference of having no actual talent to vindicate them. This tragic scenario is likely much more common. One may so wonder about you, Pam/skip/LITH/etc. - 13:38:31 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:Grant..is this really you? I have never heard that about Van Gogh being addicted to fumes...where did you get that information? The one painting that he did sell during his lifetime was to his brother Theo (a little bit of unnecessary trivia)...so, what makes him so popular today? His artistic abilities, or his rather romantically tragic life? - 15:54:47 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:ALL, but especially SkippySkip. I have not posted any comments lately. It is obvious to me that the postings with my name on them have been made by SkippySkip, since they are immediately followed by the postings bearing his name. Keep your cookies, little Skippie, and stop beating your meat. It's affecting your mind, such as it is. - 21:35:20 on 14 Jan 99 GMT

Joette (the real one):Papasam...why don't you post on MIMM2? We have been quite active there. - 0:41:07 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Adam IS IT ME, OR IS DAVID JUST A BAD SPORT?:You can bite me, pal! In my time on this page, I have forwarded some of the most comprehensive attacks on religion---some serious, some satirical---in defense of the rule of reason that have been posted here. If I'm going to be scolded about an occasional reference to nontopical matters, I'm inclined to be more, not less, violative of "the rules." Having said, that, I'd like to point out that the Falcons need to play a perfect defensive game to have a shot in Minnesota. To be sure, they certainly score on the Viking defense. I'd be interested in hearing who Jesus and Satan might be rooting for. Anyone? The Falcons wear black, so I'd like to think Lucifer likes the Dirty Birds. Then again, the Jets' Bill Parcels is the most likely candidate for having made a pact with the devil. Hey, deviled tuna—get it? - 0:53:38 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Adom I have a rule of reason. Listen very closely. Lets talk about the Bible and evidence for the Divine Origin of the Bible. The Bible was written over a period of 1500 years on three different continents by some 40 human writers.. It couldn't be the invention of good men or angels, for they neither would nor could make a book, and tell lies all the time they were writing it, saying "Thus saith the Lord: when it was their own invention. It could not have be the invention of bad men or devils, for they would not make a book which commands all duty, forbids all sin, and condemns their souls to hell for all eternity. Therefore, I would say that the Bible must be given by divine inspiration. - 2:59:24 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Now lets look at more evidence. Fulfilled prophecy. One of the great proofs of the inspiration of the Bible is fulfilled prophecy. This is predicting ACCURATELY a future event that comes to pass hundreds of years later. Check out the prophecies just concerning Jesus. Place of birth was prophicied by Micah 5:2 The fulfillment came in Luke 2:1-7 His forerunner foretold by Isaiah 40:3, "John". Fulfilled again in Matt. 3:1-3 His betrayal by Judas Psalm 41:9 Fulfilled in John13:18 His resurrection foretold in Psalm 16:10 and was fulfilled years later by Matt. 28:1-6. A person predicting the future may hit it right sometime, but all the prophecies in the Bible hit it right every time. I can't believe that was just some lucky guess work. - 3:08:06 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Hi JOETTE-- I've developed the peculiar habit of watching A&E's 'Classroom' at 4:00AM weekdays. It's there that I heard the fume addiction thing. It was new info for me too. Do you have reason to suspect it? As to your last question- I think his stuff is as good as everyone seems to think, but what do I know? :-) - 3:22:30 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Just one more interesting note before I go. HYDROLOGY. The field of (science of water) is one with many biblical contacts, because of the major importance of water in the life of mankind. The remarkable mechanism by which water vapor is condensed and precipitated as rain or snow, then drained off through the groundwater and river system into the ocean, from which it is raised into the skies by evaporation and carried back over the continents by great atmospheric wind circulations. The water cycle and its accompaning global atmospheric circulation have only been demonstrated scientifically in recent centuries, but they were set forth in the Bible AGES AGO. There are many relevent Bible references, all of which are fully in accord with scientific concepts, but one passage is especially comprehensive. This is Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, set down by Solomon three thousand years ago. "The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north, it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full, unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. No wonder we speak of the wisdom of Solomon. This is a succinct yet comprehensive outline of the water cycle of the earth. Look at the words of Elihu in Job 36:27-29. "For he drawth up the drops of water, which distil in rain from his vapor, which the skies pour down and drop upon man abundantly. Yea, can any understand the spreadings of the clouds, the thunderings of his pavilion? Each phase of the cycle is absolutely necessary for life to exest on the earth and offers abundant testimony to its origin at the hands of an infinitely wise and beneficent Creator. With so many references in the Bible to water in all its aspects, it is significant that there are none that conflict with modern hydrologic science. Papa Sam, even you should know this! Your Christian friend, Rick - 3:48:13 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Just one more interesting note before I go. HYDROLOGY. The field of (science of water) is one with many biblical contacts, because of the major importance of water in the life of mankind. The remarkable mechanism by which water vapor is condensed and precipitated as rain or snow, then drained off through the groundwater and river system into the ocean, from which it is raised into the skies by evaporation and carried back over the continents by great atmospheric wind circulations. The water cycle and its accompaning global atmospheric circulation have only been demonstrated scientifically in recent centuries, but they were set forth in the Bible AGES AGO. There are many relevent Bible references, all of which are fully in accord with scientific concepts, but one passage is especially comprehensive. This is Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, set down by Solomon three thousand years ago. "The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north, it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full, unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. No wonder we speak of the wisdom of Solomon. This is a succinct yet comprehensive outline of the water cycle of the earth. Look at the words of Elihu in Job 36:27-29. "For he drawth up the drops of water, which distil in rain from his vapor, which the skies pour down and drop upon man abundantly. Yea, can any understand the spreadings of the clouds, the thunderings of his pavilion? Each phase of the cycle is absolutely necessary for life to exest on the earth and offers abundant testimony to its origin at the hands of an infinitely wise and beneficent Creator. With so many references in the Bible to water in all its aspects, it is significant that there are none that conflict with modern hydrologic science. Papa Sam, even you should know this! Your Christian friend, Rick - 3:48:21 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Just one more interesting note before I go. HYDROLOGY. The field of (science of water) is one with many biblical contacts, because of the major importance of water in the life of mankind. The remarkable mechanism by which water vapor is condensed and precipitated as rain or snow, then drained off through the groundwater and river system into the ocean, from which it is raised into the skies by evaporation and carried back over the continents by great atmospheric wind circulations. The water cycle and its accompaning global atmospheric circulation have only been demonstrated scientifically in recent centuries, but they were set forth in the Bible AGES AGO. There are many relevent Bible references, all of which are fully in accord with scientific concepts, but one passage is especially comprehensive. This is Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, set down by Solomon three thousand years ago. "The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north, it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full, unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. No wonder we speak of the wisdom of Solomon. This is a succinct yet comprehensive outline of the water cycle of the earth. Look at the words of Elihu in Job 36:27-29. "For he drawth up the drops of water, which distil in rain from his vapor, which the skies pour down and drop upon man abundantly. Yea, can any understand the spreadings of the clouds, the thunderings of his pavilion? Each phase of the cycle is absolutely necessary for life to exest on the earth and offers abundant testimony to its origin at the hands of an infinitely wise and beneficent Creator. With so many references in the Bible to water in all its aspects, it is significant that there are none that conflict with modern hydrologic science. Papa Sam, even you should know this! Your Christian friend, Rick - 3:48:30 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Just one more interesting note before I go. HYDROLOGY. The field of (science of water) is one with many biblical contacts, because of the major importance of water in the life of mankind. The remarkable mechanism by which water vapor is condensed and precipitated as rain or snow, then drained off through the groundwater and river system into the ocean, from which it is raised into the skies by evaporation and carried back over the continents by great atmospheric wind circulations. The water cycle and its accompaning global atmospheric circulation have only been demonstrated scientifically in recent centuries, but they were set forth in the Bible AGES AGO. There are many relevent Bible references, all of which are fully in accord with scientific concepts, but one passage is especially comprehensive. This is Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, set down by Solomon three thousand years ago. "The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north, it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full, unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. No wonder we speak of the wisdom of Solomon. This is a succinct yet comprehensive outline of the water cycle of the earth. Look at the words of Elihu in Job 36:27-29. "For he drawth up the drops of water, which distil in rain from his vapor, which the skies pour down and drop upon man abundantly. Yea, can any understand the spreadings of the clouds, the thunderings of his pavilion? Each phase of the cycle is absolutely necessary for life to exest on the earth and offers abundant testimony to its origin at the hands of an infinitely wise and beneficent Creator. With so many references in the Bible to water in all its aspects, it is significant that there are none that conflict with modern hydrologic science. Papa Sam, even you should know this! Your Christian friend, Rick - 3:48:42 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Sorry about the repeats, may computer shut down and I think I hit the button to many times, talk to me Adam. - 4:03:56 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene..maybe you should expand a :LITTLE RICKY- I've been reading a lot on Greek mythology lately. Have you ever thought of reading anything but your bible? Anyway, Greek mythology is much older than christianity. If you read some of it, you would see that christianity is merely a copycat religion. - 5:35:02 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Steven :ALL <<>> did the spammer take a break??? - 13:54:37 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:GRANT...it may be true about Van Gogh (now pronounced Van Goff for some reason - in Holland they still pronounce it Van Gogh). There have been several "theories" about his mental illness, including that syndrome that made him hear constant ringing in his ear, which led him to finally cutting his ear off. I just found out that the exhibition of his work that is in D.C. right now will be in Toronto for our summer months, and so I am well pleased. He has always been my favourite artist. - 15:51:51 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

RON...---> WOW...: Glad to see the humans are back. - 17:56:31 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

RON...--->RICKY...: Those passages were in the bible, (remember the bible is only 500 years old or so) because MEN wrote of them in the bible. Just as "green eggs and ham" are in another famous book. The Nephilim were responsible for designing and building the great early water works before the awakening of man. - 17:59:55 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Adam:Read it! I've had every page, paragraph, and word read at me, sir!" Mr. Dark took time to light a cigarette and blow smoke toward the NO SMOKING sign, then at Will's father. "Do you really imagine that books can harm me? Is Naiveté really your armor? Here!" - 18:36:57 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Aren't you surprised? See, I touch, hold, even read from it." - 18:38:40 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Adam@@@ Ron@@@ Joette@@@:Do you expect me to fall away into so many Dead Sea scrolls of flesh before you? Myths, unfortunately, are just that. Life, and by life I could mean so many fascinating things, goes on, makes shift for itself, survives wildly, and I not the least wild among many. Your King James and his literary version of some rather stuffy poetic materials is worth about this much of my time and sweat." Mr. Dark hurled the Bible into a wastepaper basket and did not look at it again. - 18:40:41 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

RON...--->@@@...: I am not impressed. Hurl yourself along with your bible, I'll not care. King James was only a man...just a man. - 20:38:33 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

RON...: A good page even though the author doesn't follow Sitchin closely, he does seem to have done his homework. I just found this page today. - 20:47:37 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

greek:Jesus is Alive ! - 21:23:09 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

RON...--->Greek....:Errrr...uh, bud...I hate to pop your bubble, Jesus died a long time ago. If he were alive today do you think we would allow a guy to walk around claiming to speak to "god"? - 21:48:15 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Mr. Dark probably will wind up in Hell too! - 21:50:49 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Answer me this. If we came from the eveolution aspect of thinking, evolution teaches that living matter started in the oceans and little fish-like "things"started swiming around and grew into "things" that eventually crawled out on land. It teaches at one time, we had gills. My question to this is , where are the fossols to show the creatures we were between the fish that crawed out of the water and man. We have fossels of dinos and other pre-historic animals, where is the fossols of man just before he became man? - 22:17:51 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Did we just come out of nowhere or were we created? - 22:18:50 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RON, what does Sitchin want? - 22:23:55 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKEY, you came out of a female most call a mother. Do you, however, propose that a godthing did you up? - 22:28:39 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:No, don't be silly, where did man originate? Did man just happen or were we created? - 22:45:05 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Ricky, how does one know that ones choice is so? - 22:47:20 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, evolution tells best of the changes. - 22:49:23 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:The big problem is that evolutionest have no provable facts. All their findings are based on theory. They can only say a single cell grew into all the plants and animals on Earth. Yeah, right! - 22:59:24 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, how can a changing thing become a fact? A fact, isn't it past tense? Doesn't that mean its static? - 23:02:14 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:well Carl, give me one fact that the Bible is a book of myths, and that the animal kingdom was not created by a suprem being, and I'll join you unbelivers. - 23:16:04 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, the Jews\Hebrews o'olden times are nonexistent. They were primitive prescientific maybe just better than cave-dwellers. You've heard o'these types? I read this,"Aborigines have a lively imagination, which explains the existence of most mythical elements in their sagas and legends." What is the moses thing? - 23:22:45 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, ever heard of the Gilgamesh epics? - 23:24:26 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, the baby born in a manger stuff, that was a plagerised version of black ethiopians whose 'story' goes that a child was born in a cave. - 23:27:44 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, ever heard of the Chaldo-Assyrian creation story's? They too tell of some really neat place. - 23:29:55 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, ever heard of the Hindu-Persian tales of a good man who established order and peace, he too was born of a virgin, "they say". - 23:32:12 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Heard of Henry M. Morris, a scientist who went all out to prove the Bible wrong, and after a fifteen year attempt, was convinced otherwise. Morris (B.S. Rich University, M.S. Ph.D. University of Minnesota) is president of the Institute for Creation Research, San Diego, Cal. Science and the Bible is just one of his many books and articles on the Bible and Science, creationism and evelution, and hydraulics.. Read some of his material, it might suprise you! - 23:37:03 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, of historical interpretations, one ought to maintain a goodly amount of reservation, especially when matters are being re-interpreted. As for the 'authority' thing, you know that investigation of the learned the highly intellegent and a godthing, veer away from each other. Of scientists questioned about godthings, I recall a low number maybe 7% or less will say, yet, that there is a god. Of your references, I can check them out, but very likely "they" will conclude that the reader must invariably decide, is it true or not?[They dare not show the real contrary of true, that of a falsehood.] - 23:54:30 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, gotta run - 23:59:46 on 15 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Where's PapaSam? - 2:00:24 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

The ghastly result of man's environmental pollution is the subject of this sci-fi drama about mercury-poisoned mutants and other horrors. - 5:54:49 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->rOB Is that the one with the huge salami running in the woods. - 5:57:03 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Carl: Joette You've heard o'these types? - 5:59:13 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Mr. Dark:WILL see you at the movies!!! - 6:00:37 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rickey:No there was none drugs involved. - 6:02:30 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:an improvement - 6:03:37 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:RICKEY Educated??? - 6:05:01 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Come as you are, as you were...As I want you to be...As a friend, as a phren... As an old enemy...Take your time, hurry up...The choice is yours, don't be late... Take a rest as a friend...As an old enemy-a Memoria, memoria Memoria Come doused in mud, soaked in bleach...As I want you to be... As a trend, as a friend As an old enemy-a Memoria, memoria Memoria...And I swear that I don't have a gun... No I don't have a gun... - 6:11:28 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Are you finished phren??? - 6:12:58 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Perhaps as the ol' hamster on the wheel, I 'see' now. As the approach partakes the wicked, fun begets the viewing. Wierd!!! - 6:16:04 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:RICKY. Here I am. Thought you'd lost me? No such luck. Simply put, evolution is change. It is not necessarily a change for the better. Inter- breeding may result in a degeneration as has been noted in studies of certain families. When some strains of bacteria become resistant to certain antibiotics, they have evolved. There are many thouands of varieties of species, to put it mildly. Each has evolved from earlier specimens. The thousands of beetles alone is just a single example. Even the human race can be seen as having had a common ancestor, whether they are pygmies with dark skins or the Scandinavian blonds of twice the stature. The fact that there are so many fossils missing from the record is not surprising. Considering the natural forces exerted by and on the earth, such as earthquakes, volcanic activity, floods, meteorites and asteroids, it would be remarkable if we could find them. You seem to have difficulty accepting the possibility, yet you feel it is quite logical to believe in a supernatural deity, "God" to have created billions of galaxies and trillions upon trillions of life forms in only a week. Of course, you have a tiny gap in your theory. Where did your "god" come from? No mommy, no daddy. Don't tell me, let me guess. He always was there. You know it's true, because YOUR MOMMY AND DADDY told you so. Incidentally, is there any place in the bible that tells where your god came from? You stick to your mythology, you have no room for doubt. I on the other hand, believe as I do because it seems to me to be the best theory of cosmology I have read of or heard. I am open to new theories, and if I find a better one I will change my mind. Now aren't you glad I'm back? - 6:17:38 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:Ricky. HEY Vanelli - 6:18:42 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:PETER... My keyboard too. Wet. - 6:19:50 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Skippy Skip:PapaSam...Death goes. - 6:23:50 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Come on now Skippy stop the whine. You seem to have a preoccupation with death and free floating carbons. To the other atheists another uses my name. - 6:26:22 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 6:27:01 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

spin baby spin - 6:28:01 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:I sit in the dragon eye center. - 6:28:40 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Mr. Dark:Incidentally, is there any place for that bible PapaSam??? - 6:31:09 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->PapaSam. Something wicked this way comes. Unemployed too??? - 6:33:32 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

spin baby spin - 6:34:32 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

As a thank you for the young victims' blood Redcap guaranteed de Soulis that he wouldn't be hurt neither by steel or rope. - 6:38:36 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:a thank you offends them --(-)EllA - 6:39:52 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-)EllA and you are your own god - 6:41:03 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Mr.Dark:Exactly, a keyboard or a wastebucket. Matter anyone??? - 6:42:39 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rob waste for the wicked:Mr.Dark, I just got back from a trip from Tibet; my modem is fine. I or A~~~Get it right!!! - 6:45:12 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Rob/Grant... Does he/she/i(tt) know when to begin? LOL. - 6:47:41 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Passing through:Should I wait an hour or two to respond??? Lucid!!! - 6:49:01 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

spin baby spin - 6:50:02 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:I sit in the dragon eye center. - 6:51:56 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Ex-atheist:All...You stick to your mythology, you have no room for doubt. I was once in that positon but clues of the man-made made me see. Forget it you would not believe me anyway. - 6:56:18 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->Ex-atheist Yes we have the other site. Man-made also but why do you always talk to yourself in that position??? Enough Skippy---what is your real name if you are an atheist??? - 6:59:43 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Joette~~~ tsk...tsk..tsk. You can e-mail also. Whip the --(-)horses 'eyes'.Hm? You think you're cool, right? Hm? Hm? When you kicked out people [out of] your house I tell you this, one of three Americans die of cancer, you know? Asshole. - 7:04:29 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Snake:I'm an asshole. The name's Plisssken. - 7:05:34 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Joette Looks like they let RTL out of the nutcase!!! - 7:07:11 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

RON:Marlene. Wow dating again and Lith it's not tsk...tsk...tsk.. - 7:09:13 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:Ricky.HEY Vein Opener. - 7:11:48 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:PETER... My keyboard too. Wet - 7:13:42 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

David:GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER PEOPLE. DON'T MESS A GOOD THING GOING! - 7:15:15 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette----no cur remarks:-->Marlene. I'm surprised old David did not call me bitch. - 7:17:46 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) - 7:18:29 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 7:19:00 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Here is the link for MIMM2. - 7:20:54 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->STEVEN.Something wicked this way comes. Unemployed too??? You know Skippy some call me the queen of this first MIMM. - 7:25:49 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Adam a li(tt)le law and order:@@@.Jo, I refuse the other page and the censorship way of posting. Go dirtybirds!!! - 7:28:03 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

WILL wait for David to respond about how sports. A big and I mean big no no here. Meanwhile the lawyer makes a fine point. - 7:31:28 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

phat - 7:31:56 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

As a thank you for the young victims' blood Redcap guaranteed de Soulis that he wouldn't be hurt neither by steel or rope. - 7:32:54 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Druid flow like running from the mouth; talk silly nonsense. How serious is the Druid religion anyhows. - 7:36:46 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 7:41:43 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Keith:Joette. I know you remember me. You too PapaSam and the rest. Joette, that death stance position and the --(-)butterfly-smoke on the h2o --(-)grasshopper and fire in the sky. - 7:45:14 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:Keith. Thank you - 7:45:53 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Joette. a thank you offends them --(-)EllA - 7:47:11 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-) EllA and you are your own god - 7:48:17 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Len:~~~FUN,FUN,FUN. - 7:49:39 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Cugel:"My thoughts exactly Mr.Dark(!)" - 7:50:58 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 7:52:24 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Ash: The Shamans of America and priests and priestesses of religions throughout the world share the Witches use of specific plants to extend the normal boundaries of human experience. - 7:55:30 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

As a thank you for the young victims' blood Redcap guaranteed de Soulis that he wouldn't be hurt neither by steel or rope. - 7:58:29 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:Sad really of the (s)pamming Joette. I think you are thinking of the one with Christoper Walken in it and not that that that salami in the wicked woods. - 8:06:11 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rob I come with the wicked:rOB. It is great to know you are back with us. - 8:07:50 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette... I gave you what you wanted bitch and now get a life. - 8:12:46 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Get a life Pam. - 8:13:26 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:fill this space with any vulgarity. Your all a bunch of --(-)apes - 8:16:35 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Robert T. Lee:PapaSam. My line. - 8:17:35 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Skippy. Are you done with the mommy and daddy pc. - 8:19:24 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:PapaSam... Good you get a cookie. - 8:20:59 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Pezzo di merda, they borrow. Eyes. - 8:24:50 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Fahrenheit 451 - 8:39:37 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

rOB!!! - 8:41:46 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

and more bright blessings to you Pam - 8:42:41 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

be careful of your will Joette - 8:44:33 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->PAM Does that mean we have to study the bumps on our heads. - 8:46:10 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Adam:Jo. No bumping me off my page tonight. It should be go dirty--(-)birds of an earlier post. - 8:48:29 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Bill:To be or not to be... rOB, I do not know much about Spinoza's works considering all the bump. - 8:50:33 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

modhu:Bill...Just playing in the sandbox. lucid dreaming - 8:51:39 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:rOB... How do you know Bill??? And what's the word that Bill uses of sticking with groups too long. Lucid. - 8:54:56 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

???:rEMEMBER ME. It just popped in there. I forgot the ? - 8:57:11 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Druid flow like running from the mouth; talk silly nonsense. How serious is the Druid religion anyhows. - 8:58:11 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 8:59:31 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

this --(-)monkey psi* - 9:01:30 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Are you finished phren??? - 9:02:33 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Grant. Wierd stuff of th' druid postings. Every word encountered for but of th' sight of the godthing these druid adherents link it to a magical thing. It reminds of the Tony days without the magical overtones. I am not using a k of the problem of the two here. - 9:08:41 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Tony:CARL. Got a gun? - 9:09:37 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Pezzo di merda, they borrow. Eyes - 9:10:36 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Lith. Grim of th' Vance tact, right hum Carl and lucid. Why would a mystic post at an atheist site when an atheist whom owns the site as know idea what he dabbles as he maintains the site? - 9:15:16 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

bob:Grant. Get it right. has and of course hummm!!! - 9:16:44 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rob every rose HAS -------THORN: bob.i before e accept after c or is it i before a accept after c. I do not want to go on a rant here. - 9:19:56 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Pezzo di merda, they borrow. Eyes - 9:21:59 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 9:24:51 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rob no and know but to know and no:I usually make small posts. - 9:30:44 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:--> Rob of the Roses. You are so smart but so bad too. - 9:33:24 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rob if the shoe fits wear it:Jo. Let me post that --(-) monkey picture that you and Marlene liked. Cute and sounds tranquil. Boy that-some time ago. Must go rEHASH. - 9:36:37 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rob if the shoe fits wear i(tt):Jo. Let me post that --(-) monkey picture that you and Marlene liked. Cute and sounds tranquil. Boy that-some time ago. Must go rEHASH. - 9:36:57 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rob if the shoe fits wear i(tt):Jo. Let me post that --(-) monkey picture that you and Marlene liked. Cute and sounds tranquil. Boy that-some time ago. Must go rEHASH. - 9:38:50 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:where---or how is your appearance??? - 9:40:18 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

rOB!!! has meaning for the controller??? - 9:42:12 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:something rEMAINS david... - 9:43:26 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

EX_ATHEIST:<<<>>>ATHEISM IS ANTISEMITISM~~~~~~Atheists are too blind to realize it, but their atheism causes them to be antiSemitic. Since they don't believe the veracity of the Holy Bible, they don't beleive in the veracity of the histoy of the Jews of old. Atheism as it applies to the Torah strikes at the root of the ethnicity of the Jews. - 16:51:00 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:EX-ATHEIST- For once your got it right. I'm anti any religion. - 17:43:23 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

My first exposure to Jack Vance's literary style was a dazzling experience for a teenager. Upon entry into the curious vault of his imagination, I found a whole series of other-worldly societies, all populated with extraordinarily peculiar beings. I was drawn into the undertow created by his prose, into a verisimilitude that provided sensual relief from an often boring everyday life in suburban Oklahoma. I was glad that Vance's work bore little resemblance to the technology-obsessed and sloppily-written trash most science-fiction writers were producing. Vance had obviously worked hard to assemble his ornamented word-structures, but there was a sense of delight; a sophisticated mischief in the characters and dialogue. There was also violence that loomed just behind a pretense of politeness. It was as if civilization was a finely articulated veil across a brutish face. His illusions of alien cultures rely on a use of language patterns derived from baroque idioms. Vance also possesses a talent for inventing convincing-sounding character- and place-names and a finely-honed ironic wit. Despite Vance's imaginative wandering, there is continuity in many of his themes. One example: His recurring social climbers, religious nuts and narcissists make up the longest-running and most withering satire of human pompousness in contemporary science fiction. - 19:02:53 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Steven: My first exposure to Jack Vance's literary style was a dazzling experience for a teenager. Upon entry into the curious vault of his imagination, I found a whole series of other-worldly societies, all populated with extraordinarily peculiar beings. I was drawn into the undertow created by his prose, into a verisimilitude that provided sensual relief from an often boring everyday life in suburban Oklahoma. I was glad that Vance's work bore little resemblance to the technology-obsessed and sloppily-written trash most science-fiction writers were producing. Vance had obviously worked hard to assemble his ornamented word-structures, but there was a sense of delight; a sophisticated mischief in the characters and dialogue. There was also violence that loomed just behind a pretense of politeness. It was as if civilization was a finely articulated veil across a brutish face. His illusions of alien cultures rely on a use of language patterns derived from baroque idioms. Vance also possesses a talent for inventing convincing-sounding character- and place-names and a finely-honed ironic wit. Despite Vance's imaginative wandering, there is continuity in many of his themes. One example: His recurring social climbers, religious nuts and narcissists make up the longest-running and most withering satire of human pompousness in contemporary science fiction. - 19:03:07 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Robert T. Lee:Religious nuts. Familiar ab an atheist? - 19:04:51 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) my thoughts exactly... for EllA is my one true gOD!!! - 19:05:33 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Hermitage castle - 19:05:52 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

lucidity... Else, whaleshit! - 19:09:41 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Steven...It appears the druid child has the use of the mommy and daddy pc. Pulling weeds; I am in accord with the no-name user's of 19:O4:51 post. - 19:09:50 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Marlene... Give my site a try. Though I ignore the likes of Rtl and other brainwashers; I am having a nice time here as the no-name (s)pammer attests. - 19:12:37 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene: Steven.Druid flow like running from the mouth; talk silly nonsense. How serious is the Druid religion anyhows. - 19:13:42 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

this --(-)monkey psi* - 19:14:54 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:a thank you offends them --(-)EllA - 19:15:49 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 19:16:23 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 19:17:02 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Sperm whales are the largest of the toothed whales. Males can reach a length of up to 18 metres and weigh approximately 45 tonnes, while females are smaller and average about 11 metres. Calves are born after a 15 month gestation period and measure about 4 metres. There are three species in this family: Sperm, Pygmy Sperm and Dwarf Sperm. They are found around the deeper waters off continental shelves all around the world. Sperm whales are dark-brown or dark-grey in colour and their skin is of a rippled, corrugated appearance. Their blowhole is situated on the left side of the snout so that when they blow it is at an angle which distinguishes them from other whales, reaching up to 5 metres high. Sperm whales do not have a dorsal fin but instead a series of hump-like ridges extending down to the flukes. The flippers are short and stubby but their triangular tail flukes are large and powerful. Their underslung jaws contain as many as 50 individual teeth, and each can weigh up to 1kg. The main diet for Sperm whales is squid and fish. Large males routinely dive to 800 metres or more and have been recorded down to 3,000 metres. They can remain submerged for up to 90 minutes and the longest recorded dive last 2 hours and 18 minutes. Sperm whales were named as such because in early whaling days it was mistakenly thought that the white, waxy substance produced in their huge box-like head was part of the reproductive system. For much of the long history of commercial whaling, sperm whale oil was the single most important product. Spermaceti oil is very rich and superior to other oils as it is pure, liquifies very easily and is unsurpassed among natural oils as a lubricant. It was used for making candles, cosmetics, soaps, detergents, machinery oil as well as many other products. Today, spermaceti oil is substituted by the Mexican Jojoba shrub, whose seeds produce a pale yellow oil that is as fine and valuable. This plant can tolerate the poorest soils and thrive in arid conditions, and it's oil is easily extracted. As well as spermaceti oil some Sperm whales produced in their intestines a waxy, black substance called Ambergris. This was considered a very valuable product and was used in perfumes, lipstick and burned in religious ceremonies. The ivory teeth of sperm whales were used for buttons, piano keys, markers in games and also as a decorative form of artwork known as Scrimshaw. Sperm whales were one of the most heavily exploited whales and the last whale taken in Australian waters was at Albany, Western Australia, in 1978. - 19:20:00 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

--(-)whale/shit - 19:20:49 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Rob - a load of what smoke:TO THE NO-NAME POSTER ... Don't be afraid here. You may use your real name if you like. Many regulars here. Sounds familiar. - 19:23:10 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->Yes Skippy tell us. Although lithium may help. - 19:25:01 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Chucky:We're phrens till the end. - 19:25:59 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

I am buried up to my neck in...Contradictionary--(-) flies I take pride as the king of illiterature...I'm very --(-)ape and very nice... If you ever need anything please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first... I'm too busy acting like I'm not naive...I've seen it all, I was here first Out of the ground, into the sky...Out of the sky, into the dirt... Out of the ground, into the sky Out of the sky, into the ground...Out of the ground, into the sky... Out of the sky, into the dirt... - 19:29:42 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:RTL. I asked you a third time---Did Moses talk telepathically to a god? - 19:31:34 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->RTL only answers questions of a selected few atheists here. Being a religious nut and all. Lucid dreaming - 19:33:37 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Sperm whales are the largest of the toothed whales. Males can reach a length of up to 18 metres and weigh approximately 45 tonnes, while females are smaller and average about 11 metres. Calves are born after a 15 month gestation period and measure about 4 metres. There are three species in this family: Sperm, Pygmy Sperm and Dwarf Sperm. They are found around the deeper waters off continental shelves all around the world. Sperm whales are dark-brown or dark-grey in colour and their skin is of a rippled, corrugated appearance. Their blowhole is situated on the left side of the snout so that when they blow it is at an angle which distinguishes them from other whales, reaching up to 5 metres high. Sperm whales do not have a dorsal fin but instead a series of hump-like ridges extending down to the flukes. The flippers are short and stubby but their triangular tail flukes are large and powerful. Their underslung jaws contain as many as 50 individual teeth, and each can weigh up to 1kg. The main diet for Sperm whales is squid and fish. Large males routinely dive to 800 metres or more and have been recorded down to 3,000 metres. They can remain submerged for up to 90 minutes and the longest recorded dive last 2 hours and 18 minutes. Sperm whales were named as such because in early whaling days it was mistakenly thought that the white, waxy substance produced in their huge box-like head was part of the reproductive system. For much of the long history of commercial whaling, sperm whale oil was the single most important product. Spermaceti oil is very rich and superior to other oils as it is pure, liquifies very easily and is unsurpassed among natural oils as a lubricant. It was used for making candles, cosmetics, soaps, detergents, machinery oil as well as many other products. Today, spermaceti oil is substituted by the Mexican Jojoba shrub, whose seeds produce a pale yellow oil that is as fine and valuable. This plant can tolerate the poorest soils and thrive in arid conditions, and it's oil is easily extracted. As well as spermaceti oil some Sperm whales produced in their intestines a waxy, black substance called Ambergris. This was considered a very valuable product and was used in perfumes, lipstick and burned in religious ceremonies. The ivory teeth of sperm whales were used for buttons, piano keys, markers in games and also as a decorative form of artwork known as Scrimshaw. Sperm whales were one of the most heavily exploited whales and the last whale taken in Australian waters was at Albany, Western Australia, in 1978. - 19:20:00 on 16 Jan 99 GMT - 19:34:45 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) - 19:35:24 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Melissa:rOB. I think you got it right about the subject knowledge part. Can I go on a long whine about how much of a religious bigot. The RTL. - 19:37:57 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:Human pompousness but all of you would not believe me anyway. - 19:40:11 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:Michael - 19:41:04 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:You know I'm involved with black magic(k)? - 19:43:36 on 16 Jan 99 GMT

Then why don't you just DISAPPEAR! - 2:26:09 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Rob ORTHOGRAPHICAL in endless nameless: Want to be sure of his spelling. Proof fever. Martin Cunningham forgot to give us his spellingbee conundrum this morning. It is amusing to view the unpar one ar alleled embarra two ars is it? double ess ment of a harassed pedlar while gauging au the symmetry with a y of a peeled pear under a cemetery wall. Silly, isn't it? Cemetery put in of course on account of the symmetry. I should have said when he clapped on his topper. Thank you. I ought to have said something about an old hat or something. No. I could have said. Looks as good as new now. See his phiz then. Sllt. The nethermost deck of the first machine jogged forward its flyboard with sllt the first batch of quirefolded papers. Sllt. Almost human the way it sllt to call attention. Doing its level best to speak. That door too sllt creaking, asking to be shut. Everything speaks in its own way. Sllt. - 16:05:10 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Rob. The good Rob as describe in these druid ramblings, I see attachments added with their imaginations but nothing of the godthing. They speak only for them and not of the scientific community, especially the (s)Pammer. Her creative writing skills given though i bet she got an A+ for that. - 16:10:49 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:binding again Carl dearg - 16:13:41 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:All. You wouldn't believe her statement anyway even though I particate in the action. Forget it I feature therein. - 16:16:08 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:(S)PAMMER...That a girl Pam but you are still with us I see. Is that some East Indian mantra or was that another word.Then why don't you just DISAPPEAR and see a shrink. - 16:19:35 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL.. See what I mean. Forget it you would not believe me anyways. - 16:21:18 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 16:22:52 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

jan.31 - 16:23:31 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 16:24:08 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:EX-ATHEIST.Sorry I don't believe in the supernatural. lucid dreaming - 16:26:10 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:You know I'm involved with black magic(k)? - 16:27:08 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->Lith. I sense that you are shy when telling us about your Druidic beliefs. To the others I am very sad when you attack Pam like this. rOB are you going to watch the dirty--(-)birds today? - 16:31:12 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:JOETTE. I am not into the Roman crowds. - 16:32:28 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Adam run the ball :JO. Word up. The druid won't disappaer but I can still kick a god's ass in as for the dirty--(-)birds jamahal andersen WILL run up the hole and do his nasty thing. - 16:36:34 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Mrs.Schwann:Adam... heee still looka like a ding. - 16:39:04 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

jan 31 lucid - 16:40:26 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Truth covered in security...I can't let you smother me I'd like to but it wouldn't work...Trading off and taking turns I don't regret a thing...I've got this friend, you see...Who makes me feel And I wanted more Than I could steal...I'll arrest mysel...fAnd wear a shield I'll go out of my way...To prove I still Smell her on you Don't, tell me what I wanna hear...Afraid of never knowning fear Experience anything yoy need...I'll keep fighting jealousy...Until it's fucking gone I've got this friend, you see...Who makes me feel...And I wanted more Than I could stealI'll arrest myself...And wear a shield...I'll go out of my way To prove I still Smell her on you...Truth covered in security... I can't let you smother me...I'd like to but it wouldn't work Trading off and taking turns...I don't regret a thingI've got this friend, you see Who makes me feel...And I wanted more Than I could steal...I'll arrest myself And wear a shield...I'll go out of my way...To make you a deal...We've make a pact To learn from whoEver we want...Without new rules We'll share what's lost and what we grew...They'll go out of their way... To prove they still...Smell her on you...They still, smell her on you...Smell her on you - 16:53:59 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Chucky:Don't fuck with the chuck. - 16:54:57 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

jan.31 We've make a pact.lucid - 16:56:02 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:rOB. I like that in a dirty--(-)bird. - 16:58:55 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Rob (just testing):Would that be might as well Die as a pam? Sounds tranquil. - 17:01:34 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

a thank you offends them --(-)EllA - 17:02:58 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-)EllA and you are your own god - 17:03:58 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL.. See what I mean. Forget it you would not believe me anyways. - 17:04:57 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Mal:HI new here and just got back from Ireland; I did not disappear. - 17:06:59 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:They borrow. Eyes - 17:07:53 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 17:10:41 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

a thank you offends them --(-)EllA - 17:13:32 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:Robert T.Lee You commited this logical error and lucid. - 17:15:44 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

transmaniacon mc:Peter. Yes we respect logic but religion is important to some also. - 17:20:04 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

RON:You know you can 'see' the most wonderful --(-)whale/shit posted here. - 17:22:06 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene weeding thru the Druid Drivel:RON.It is good to 'see' you again. How is your love life these days??? - 17:23:46 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Anselm:DITTO, but I must return to Warwick. - 17:25:25 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Ms. Schwan..ting I fall of bok choy truck tomorrow?:Theese is the real Ms. Schwan..not Schwann you ding. Ya, okay..I tell you dis ting..maybee you should buy oneway teekit to China...dey take care of you dare. - 17:39:15 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

on a full moon lucid - 17:51:50 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:sensible (s)pamming.And it seemed to me that I heard the voice of that Egyptian highpriest raised in a tone of like haughtiness and like pride. I heard his words and their meaning was revealed to me. - 17:59:23 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL.. See what I mean. Forget it you would not believe me anyways. - 18:00:21 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:a thank you offends them --(-)EllA. Goodbye from a misunderstood Druid - 18:03:08 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Jerry:TO MY FELLOW ATHEISTS... I have a question about this --(-)EllA. Click off the own site and wait for a response and type your comment in the box below, adding your name and URL (if you wish) in those boxes, and click on the "Add" button - 18:07:40 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

The Spam-Whales that dump their largess upon the rest, are a special breed in need. The need to seed their spam, without a damn, for that is their plan. - 18:12:56 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

spamming offends them EllA. - 18:21:17 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Inside of one of the school rooms is a picture of a family, with a knife embedded in a figurine of a girl. On the chalkboard is the word "Samhein" which Loomis said was another word for "Lord of the Dead," and was a festival called "The Festival of Samhein" which took place on October 31st.. "The druids would hold fire rituals. Those who the druids deemed not normal were burned alive. The druids believed that seeing how the people died would tell them of the future." - 18:25:34 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:David... See what I mean David about how the religious fundamentalists portray the facts of m. valdemar. - 18:29:07 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Robert T. Lee:NO RECESS!!! - 18:30:34 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Joette. I will post that Druidism guide again. My site. Fine. Give it a try. - 18:37:37 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:(s)pamming offends them EllA. - 18:40:21 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) - 18:41:03 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 18:41:38 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Malene:All... This druid gives pet-names. How cute. LOL. Rob of the Roses can you post that --(-)monkey picture again. Steven, how many times did you read --(-)Raptor---3??? - 18:45:18 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Inside of one of the school rooms is a picture of a family, with a knife embedded in a figurine of a girl. On the chalkboard is the word "Samhein" which Loomis said was another word for "Lord of the Dead," and was a festival called "The Festival of Samhein" which took place on October 31st.. "The druids would hold fire rituals. Those who the druids deemed not normal were burned alive. The druids believed that seeing how the people died would tell them of the future." - 18:46:24 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Inside of one of the school rooms is a picture of a family, with a knife embedded in a figurine of a girl. On the chalkboard is the word "Samhein" which Loomis said was another word for "Lord of the Dead," and was a festival called "The Festival of Samhein" which took place on October 31st.. "The druids would hold fire rituals. Those who the druids deemed not normal were burned alive. The druids believed that seeing how the people died would tell them of the future." - 18:46:59 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Bad Dreams (1988) - 18:58:31 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

jaywilson:Did you study all the movies like a good little --(-)lemming - 18:59:43 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

(tt) - 19:00:19 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Mal:HI new here and just got back from Ireland; I did not disappear - 19:01:02 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

My bones obeyed. My spine, slumped in the customary curve of growing boys, straightened itself. My hand, which had been grabbing for a lump of Damona's bread, stopped itself, then reached out slowly and with restraint. My eyes observed for the first time how cleverly hand and wrist could work toghether to create a harmonious line. Menua nodded approval. Now you no longer resemble a --(-)pig rooting through a midden heap. That is appropriate for --(-)pigs but not for people. From now on, you will take pleasure in human grace. The chief druid never made an awkward gesture, even when he scratched himself. Every movement was fluid, celebrating the ability to move. I was so impressed I even believed he farted musically. - 23:38:26 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Use any offending vulgarity really!!! (S)PAMMER why don't you fart yourself away from this atheist site if you do not have anything to offer. - 23:41:47 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:Where did moonboy go to??? - 23:43:03 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

spamming offends them --(-)EllA - 23:43:51 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Inside of one of the school rooms is a picture of a family, with a knife embedded in a figurine of a girl. On the chalkboard is the word "Samhein" which Loomis said was another word for "Lord of the Dead," and was a festival called "The Festival of Samhein" which took place on October 31st.. "The druids would hold fire rituals. Those who the druids deemed not normal were burned alive. The druids believed that seeing how the people died would tell them of the future." - 23:44:34 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Quake:I like to (s)pam though!!! - 23:45:27 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:QUAKE... You are and continue to be an asshole. - 23:46:40 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL... See what I mean. Forget it you would not believe me anyways - 23:47:51 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:PETER... What is your opinion on the use of labels? - 23:49:34 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Someone is using my label how dare them. This imposter HAS no business being here. Get lost. - 23:52:09 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Adam@@@:GO --(-)DIRTYBIRDS. JO-the bet still on? - 23:53:25 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

and more bright blessings to you Pam - 23:54:02 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

I don't care, I don't care if I'm old I don't mind, I don't mind if I don't have a mind Get away, get away from your home...I'm afraid, I'm afraid of a ghost Even if you have, even if you need...I don't mean to stare, we don't have to BREED We could plant a house, we could build a tree I don't even care, we could have all three...She said - 23:56:50 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Rob breeding in the Mr.Dark:Nirvana. Pam hasn't found it yet. - 23:58:20 on 17 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:PAM... I am sitting at my window right now in the middle of a rain storm; I see the tree branches swaying in the wind. Please explain. lucid dreaming - 0:00:34 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:I would like to but of my geas I can not stay here long but beware of the --(-)cat who uses RTL as a toy. - 0:02:56 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Horus - 0:03:33 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

someone presents a challenge - 0:04:17 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

troglodyte - 0:05:03 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 0:05:36 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

troglodyte - 0:06:03 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 0:06:30 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Inside of one of the school rooms is a picture of a family, with a knife embedded in a figurine of a girl. On the chalkboard is the word "Samhein" which Loomis said was another word for "Lord of the Dead," and was a festival called "The Festival of Samhein" which took place on October 31st.. "The druids would hold fire rituals. Those who the druids deemed not normal were burned alive. The druids believed that seeing how the people died would tell them of the future." - 0:07:23 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette Go watch the end of the football game bitch I gave you what you wanted. Adam, as the correct true atheist, sports do not belong on this atheist site. - 0:10:01 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Skippy Skip:Arrogance. Sounds Easy. - 0:10:53 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:--> SKIPPY. What do you mean by arrogant??? I want to know I am curious and such. Are you saying that we atheists are this label??? Well at least you did not call me bitch like David. Sad. - 0:13:21 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Joette. I think the lithium talks. LOL - 0:15:02 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Mal:HI new here and just got back from Ireland; I did not disappear - 0:16:01 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

I don't care, I don't care if I'm old I don't mind, I don't mind if I don't have a mind Get away, get away from your home...I'm afraid, I'm afraid of a ghost Even if you have, even if you need...I don't mean to stare, we don't have to BREED We could plant a house, we could build a tree I don't even care, we could have all three...She said - 0:16:59 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Rob moody blues on the full moon:Joette. But we decide which is right and which is an illusion. - 0:19:20 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:The Tony speaks through his finger. - 0:20:34 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

troglodyte - 0:21:01 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:For us 3 is a sacred number Joette. - 0:22:11 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

I don't care, I don't care if I'm old I don't mind, I don't mind if I don't have a mind Get away, get away from your home...I'm afraid, I'm afraid of a ghost Even if you have, even if you need...I don't mean to stare, we don't have to BREED We could plant a house, we could build a tree I don't even care, we could have all three...She said - 0:33:26 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

a thank you offends them --(-)EllA EXTENED FAILED - 0:34:44 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

bob:hmmm hmm hmmm - 0:35:26 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

jan.31 - 0:35:49 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-)EllA for you are your own god - 0:37:42 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

bob:hmmm hmm hmmm - 0:38:25 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Rob ---extend???:Pam. Get it right when the service??? Sounds familiar. - 0:41:19 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:Pam. Are you a good witch or a bad witch??? - 0:42:33 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:Fuck - 0:43:29 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

bob:hmmm hmm hmmm - 0:44:17 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

RON:Does anyone want me to shut this service down??? lucid dreaming - 0:45:30 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:rOB What's up with all this nonsense??? I just do not believe in the supernatural. a familiar - 0:48:47 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Sperm whales are the largest of the toothed whales. Males can reach a length of up to 18 metres and weigh approximately 45 tonnes, while females are smaller and average about 11 metres. Calves are born after a 15 month gestation period and measure about 4 metres. There are three species in this family: Sperm, Pygmy Sperm and Dwarf Sperm. They are found around the deeper waters off continental shelves all around the world. Sperm whales are dark-brown or dark-grey in colour and their skin is of a rippled, corrugated appearance. Their blowhole is situated on the left side of the snout so that when they blow it is at an angle which distinguishes them from other whales, reaching up to 5 metres high. Sperm whales do not have a dorsal fin but instead a series of hump-like ridges extending down to the flukes. The flippers are short and stubby but their triangular tail flukes are large and powerful. Their underslung jaws contain as many as 50 individual teeth, and each can weigh up to 1kg. The main diet for Sperm whales is squid and fish. Large males routinely dive to 800 metres or more and have been recorded down to 3,000 metres. They can remain submerged for up to 90 minutes and the longest recorded dive last 2 hours and 18 minutes. Sperm whales were named as such because in early whaling days it was mistakenly thought that the white, waxy substance produced in their huge box-like head was part of the reproductive system. For much of the long history of commercial whaling, sperm whale oil was the single most important product. Spermaceti oil is very rich and superior to other oils as it is pure, liquifies very easily and is unsurpassed among natural oils as a lubricant. It was used for making candles, cosmetics, soaps, detergents, machinery oil as well as many other products. Today, spermaceti oil is substituted by the Mexican Jojoba shrub, whose seeds produce a pale yellow oil that is as fine and valuable. This plant can tolerate the poorest soils and thrive in arid conditions, and it's oil is easily extracted. As well as spermaceti oil some Sperm whales produced in their intestines a waxy, black substance called Ambergris. This was considered a very valuable product and was used in perfumes, lipstick and burned in religious ceremonies. The ivory teeth of sperm whales were used for buttons, piano keys, markers in games and also as a decorative form of artwork known as Scrimshaw. Sperm whales were one of the most heavily exploited whales and the last whale taken in Australian waters was at Albany, Western Australia, in 1978. lucid dreaming - 0:50:41 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) - 0:51:07 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:You're gonna be one of those. I [didn't too / don't have the] courage to kick your ass directly. Don't have enough courage for that, I could, you know. - 0:54:52 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Adam@@@ Lips on the ???:Lith. I can still kick a god's ass in. You know. - 0:56:29 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Inside of one of the school rooms is a picture of a family, with a knife embedded in a figurine of a girl. On the chalkboard is the word "Samhein" which Loomis said was another word for "Lord of the Dead," and was a festival called "The Festival of Samhein" which took place on October 31st.. "The druids would hold fire rituals. Those who the druids deemed not normal were burned alive. The druids believed that seeing how the people died would tell them of the future. - 0:58:34 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Inside of one of the school rooms is a picture of a family, with a knife embedded in a figurine of a girl. On the chalkboard is the word "Samhein" which Loomis said was another word for "Lord of the Dead," and was a festival called "The Festival of Samhein" which took place on October 31st.. "The druids would hold fire rituals. Those who the druids deemed not normal were burned alive. The druids believed that seeing how the people died would tell them of the future. - 0:59:00 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Chucky:We're phrens till the end - 0:59:50 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Are you finished phren??? - 1:00:32 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Inside of one of the school rooms is a picture of a family, with a knife embedded in a figurine of a girl. On the chalkboard is the word "Samhein" which Loomis said was another word for "Lord of the Dead," and was a festival called "The Festival of Samhein" which took place on October 31st.. "The druids would hold fire rituals. Those who the druids deemed not normal were burned alive. The druids believed that seeing how the people died would tell them of the future. - 1:01:14 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:The druid child plays teenage games with the parents pc. I just (s)croll down this (s)pamming brainwashing. Here is the link and here is the link about druidism. (S)pamming annoys me. - 1:05:17 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Robert T Lee:Steven. Really easy big fella. - 1:06:36 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:Robert T. Lee. I read every post and win every-time - 1:33:00 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Charles Graham:PETER. suit yourself - 1:34:06 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Perhaps Skippy does not know about how to go about rEHASHING old posts. - 1:35:36 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:"Michael(!)" - 1:37:36 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Catches the eye, you see. They borrow. - 2:29:18 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

James:Lith Could there be other factors? This Lith does not sound good. 843 was my last post. - 2:31:12 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

bob:hmmm hmm hmmm - 2:32:40 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 2:33:21 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

bob:hmmm hmm hmmm - 2:34:08 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 2:34:58 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

bob:hmmm hmm hmmm - 2:36:00 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Joe:Pam. I do not think anyone has any idea what you are talking about; I do not think you do either. - 2:37:57 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

--(-)whale/shit and somebody actually reads this - 2:40:33 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Hermitage Castle - 2:41:16 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Catches the eye, you see. They borrow. - 2:42:03 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Keep going getting higher...New worlds waiting in the sky... To escape the feasting and the hunger...Not the monsters in our minds... We got our hands on this ship And stowed away into the night The four of us and Pasha dear..She to steer and we to fight Federal rules and regulations...No more laughter left on earth Outer space our one salvation...May a god help us in our search We went so fast that we grew younger...Put this ship on cruise control! We all did our best with Pasha...But not as good as good ol' Joe... Love never should have entered...It was never in the plan We were finally going to have her...And let Joe be damned... Monsters, monsters, monsters in the night Monsters, monsters, monsters in black and white Monsters, monsters, monsters out of control Monsters, monsters, monsters when you're alone Monsters, monsters, monsters feeding on themselves Monsters, monsters on the road to Rtl's hell...Joe awoke from a stupor It was clear something was wrong...He rushed in and found us with her And in his rage he aimed his gun...One shot and it was over... Pasha smiled and then was gone... - 2:54:05 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Skippy Skip:Joe... Death goes as good as gold joe. A cultosaurus erectus. Sound a familiar? and a pet --(-)Raptor too right Steven??? - 2:57:31 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:...Skippy I have read it 3 times and someone actually reads this (s)pam. Here is the link again. - 2:59:06 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Robert T Lee:Steven. Really easy big fella - 3:00:07 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:rOB ... The likes of RTL do not get i(tt) again. I do not believe in Satan. - 3:02:38 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:Grant... I know, be like Grant. - 3:03:39 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

You're gonna be one of those. I [didn't too / don't have the] courage to kick your ass directly. Don't have enough courage for that, I could, you know.Catches the eye, you see. They borrow. - 3:04:37 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:"Michael(!)" - 3:06:24 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:a'ghealach - 3:11:01 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 3:11:35 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 3:12:02 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

a pinch of ginger - 3:12:34 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:"Michael(!)" - 3:14:17 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:The druid child plays teenage games with the parents pc. I just (s)croll down this (s)pamming brainwashing. Here is the link and here is the link about druidism. (S)pamming annoys me. - 3:16:20 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Robert T Lee:Steven. Really easy big fella - 3:16:56 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL... I actually read everything but you would not believe me anyways. Of the dabble,forget it I was once like you. - 3:19:36 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:EX-ATHEIST YEAH,what do you dabble anyways. Will he finish what he begins. I guess we can shapeshift too and be a druid. LOL... Ron, how's the love life going again??? - 3:23:05 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Mermade Magickal Arts - 3:34:28 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:PAM... Maybe you can work a li(tt)le magick and tells us.lucid dreaming. I know we offend you myself included; I do it in a curious way of course. How does one meld with the tress anyways??? - 3:38:45 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Joette... I can not stay because of geas but I would like to stay; I will miss the most here. - 3:40:20 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL... Forget it people IOUN stones but I finally got it right about disliking things. Or maybe we all got it right, you would not believe me anyways. - 3:43:36 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

I could, YOU know - 3:44:38 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

RON:YES, but look at all the hits and $$$. - 3:48:06 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Catches the eye, you see. They borrow. - 3:48:44 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Mrs. Lightbulb:Tired of playing by yourself on MIMM1, you'll stay in the dark here! penis - 18:33:34 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:a'ghealach - 18:34:44 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 18:35:24 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 18:36:08 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Mr.Dark:vagina - 18:36:50 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:"Michael(!)" - 18:37:54 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Pezzo di merda, figlio di puttana.Catches the eye, you see. They borrow. - 18:44:31 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Of course," the imp slavered. "I beg your pardon. Please do not hurt me." The imp jumped off Morgana's shoulder, uncovering the stones. "Tell me, what shall we do? Shall we kill the boys when they return and then take the stones? We could drink their blood!" The imp clapped its clawed horned hands in delight, thinking about the prospect of warm fresh blood. "No," Morgana said, at once disappointing him. "Better to charm them and use them to take the stones back to my castle." - 18:49:18 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:HEY VEIN OPENER.Play any Vanelli - 18:50:34 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:Peter... What do you think of the use of labels again??? - 18:51:46 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Mrs. Lightbulb:penis - 18:52:58 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 - 18:53:54 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Mr.Dark:vagina - 18:54:31 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:I like offending vulgarity. - 18:56:21 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Skippy Skip:PapaSam...Good you get a cookie. - 18:57:19 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->PAM.Its approval,I am curious. Its lithium I think. LOL. - 19:09:26 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

David:Joette... I gave you what you wanted bitch. Look up the Campbell site. Pam, I enjoy your posts I would like you to stay. - 19:11:52 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Ash:vagina - 19:12:21 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 - 19:13:05 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:penis - 19:13:57 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL... Forget it people IOUN stones but I finally got it right about disliking things. Or maybe we all got it right, you would not believe me anyways. - 19:15:18 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

RON:EX-ATHEIST...YES, but look at all the hits and $$$. - 19:17:02 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Of course," the imp slavered. "I beg your pardon. Please do not hurt me." The imp jumped off Morgana's shoulder, uncovering the stones. "Tell me, what shall we do? Shall we kill the boys when they return and then take the stones? We could drink their blood!" The imp clapped its clawed horned hands in delight, thinking about the prospect of warm fresh blood. "No," Morgana said, at once disappointing him. "Better to charm them and use them to take the stones back to my castle." - 19:17:46 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Lith... Got a gun??? - 19:19:12 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Carl... I have a wet keyboard. - 19:20:04 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Here is the link for MIMM2. - 19:20:53 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Of course," the imp slavered. "I beg your pardon. Please do not hurt me." The imp jumped off Morgana's shoulder, uncovering the stones. "Tell me, what shall we do? Shall we kill the boys when they return and then take the stones? We could drink their blood!" The imp clapped its clawed horned hands in delight, thinking about the prospect of warm fresh blood. "No," Morgana said, at once disappointing him. "Better to charm them and use them to take the stones back to my castle." - 19:21:30 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Mrs. Lightbulb:penis - 19:23:04 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 - 19:23:45 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Mr.Dark:vagina - 19:24:28 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

If you wouldn't mind I would like it blew... If you wouldn't mind I would like it loose... If you wouldn't care I would like to leave... If you wouldn't mind I would like to breathe... Is there another reason for your stain... Could you believe him when you discussed his stain? Here is another word that rhymes with shame... You could do anything... - 19:30:49 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Moby-Dick :Else --(-)whale/shit - 19:32:22 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Chucky:MOBY-DICK...we're phrens till the end - 19:33:22 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

PaaSam:SKIPPYSICK. IT'S SAD WHEN YOUR PEERS IGNORE YOU, ISN'T IT? So your only recourse is to come to this site and try to harass the grown-ups. Using various pseudonyms and posting using the identity of others has become your favorite pastime. Does using the words "penis" and "vagina" give you a sexual thrill? Talk to your parents or teacher to see about getting some counselling. A good sychologist or psychiatrist could help you. It's not too late. - 20:55:49 on 18 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:PAPASAM- I noticed that! Maybe you and Steven may be right when you suspect the druid is a child. He tried to be a pest on MMIM2 but without any success. No one opens his post, lol! That must piss him off, he may even be throwing a tantrum. - 0:20:53 on 19 Jan 99 GMT

atheist:duh...duh...duh...Thare iz no such thing az...duh...God. i am vary smart and duh...logikal. and religis peeple are stewpid. i duh...am reely rashonal to...duh...iznt it obveeus? - 3:35:45 on 19 Jan 99 GMT

atheist:duh... - 3:37:20 on 19 Jan 99 GMT

atheist:duh...duh...i fergit wut i wuz gonna say...duh... - 3:39:01 on 19 Jan 99 GMT

atheist:uh...uh...duh...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz... - 3:40:15 on 19 Jan 99 GMT

Moses:These fools wouldn't believe in the WORD if they saw Peter walking on the water! - 4:54:07 on 19 Jan 99 GMT

Fireman:MOSES. Go piss on the burning bush. It's a safety hazard. - 19:51:05 on 19 Jan 99 GMT

theist hee hee, I can make atheists sound dumb by using weak straw-man arguements - 1:00:44 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

As dumb as you sound? - 3:57:48 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:How do you get a car? How do you make a house? How do you make corn or beans or anything else you can possibly think of? You have to make it. In other words, you have to have a "creator". Thats how the universe and everything in it came to be. It too, had a creator. A very great and mighty creator. One much more smarter than we could even imagine. That creator, the one who created the earth, and all that lives and dwells on it has a name. He is called God. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Hard for you atheists to grasp that concept, but sure makes more since than the theory of evelotion. We just didn't crawl out of the ocean and loose our gills , grow a tail and swing in the trees for a few thousand years and then become a man when we lost our ass! Wake up, before its too late. Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of your sins, and you'll receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then you will know a joy that will last for an eternity! And that's the Gospel truth. - 6:03:26 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:RICKY. How do you get a Creator? You create him with a SuperCreator. How do you get a SuperCreator? You create him with a SuperSuperCreator. - 6:30:41 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Burnt, it dispels unrequited love. - 7:26:27 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

elecampagne - 7:46:19 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

elecampagne - 7:46:31 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

As a matter of fact that was! - 7:47:43 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->rOB...You are acting very silly today. - 7:49:07 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

oil - 7:51:52 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Laurie:What's the boogey-man? - 7:52:45 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

piseoga - 7:56:07 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

elecampagne - 7:57:09 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

barrow mounds have a reputation for strange and unexplainable events occuring when they are opened. - 8:00:03 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->Lith... How does one contact the dead? - 8:01:24 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

pishogue - 8:04:39 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Mrs. Lightbulb:penis - 8:05:56 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 - 8:06:28 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Mr.Dark:vagina - 8:06:54 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

I wanna tell you bout my good thing I ain't disclosing no names but-- He sure is a good friend and! I ain't gonna tell you where he comes from, no! If I tell you you wont come again! Hey! I ain't gonna tell you nothin but I do will, but I know, yeah! I should do but I know now let me tell you bout my girl: Open up a newspaper and what do I see? Ahh, ah See my girl, ah, looking at me Ooh, And when she walks, Ooh, lemme tell ya: She walks and when she talks, she talks and When she looks at me in the eye She's my baby lord I wanna make her mine Tell me baby what you want me to do! You want me to love you, love some other man too? Ain't gonna call me Mr. pitiful, no! I don't need no respect from nobody... I ain't gonna tell you nothing I ain't gonna no more, no! She's my baby let me tell you that I love her so and And! She's the woman I really wanna love And let me tell you more, oooh! She's my baby she lives next door She's the one a woman the one a woman that I know. I ain't gonna... tell you one thing that you really ought to know ooh! She's my lover baby and I love her so and She's the one that really makes me whirl and twirl! And she's the kind of lover that makes me me fill the whole world and She's the one who really makes me jump and shout, ooh! She's the kind of girl--I know what it's all about! Take it take it Excuse me Oh will you excuse me I'm just trying to find the bridge... Has anybody seen the bridge? (Have you seen the bridge?) I ain't seen the bridge! (Where's that confounded bridge?) - 8:13:46 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Cugel---"My thoughts exactly(!)" - 8:14:59 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Joette-->PAM... Adam says he has led in the flight song. Does that mean I should start posting some poetry to get your attention??? - 8:17:26 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, you refer to unimaginable things and ask for a contrition to an unknowable something or other that even you in your wildest fancy do not know. As the "don't knows" of your assertions begin to addup, what do you think can become of the position you place yourself? You should communicate well with these heretofore supposed druids, or whatever they think they are, that have since ruined any kind of discussion at this site. So where is that godthing, like right now? - 15:32:34 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:CARL--As I discuss the God/No God topic on the net, I have noticed the believers going from one line of argument to another to defend their case. A few months ago it was denying that they assumed the burden of proof ( which went no where ) and now the buzzwords seem to be associated with denying that existence at all can be identified, and reality is something that is ultimately unidentifiable. This is a real slipshod atempt to divert the non-believer from his rational playing field( where the believer is doomed if if engages in in any participation ). So basically, when all the fog finally settles in their argument, what they are basically saying is ' God exists because we have no way of knowing what existence is'..Their slothful attempt a jury-rigging the parameters of discussion once again fail miserably, and will continue to do so, when they refuse to recognize that logic is inescapable in a discussuin where logic is pre-supposed when any words are exchanged. - 16:01:47 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:PETER, so with their basic retort they do as WJC once attempted, or vice versa, which went, what is "is"? chucklin here, but that presupposition of words, that of logic, is such a rudimentary qualifing feature for any intellectual meaning that the religious adherents become like touched worms. Remember how as kids we'd try to pickup a worm, and how the worm would twist and turn at our merest touch. That is roughly how the religious adherent reacts to querys of their godthing[s]. - 17:13:56 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

exercise memories constantly - 17:14:31 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:To dabble in the occult??? I was once like you all but you would not believe me anyways. - 17:16:18 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:PETER... Are you Anselm of the saint??? - 17:17:48 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Peter:mindboggling!!! - 17:18:36 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:To dabble in the occult??? I was once like you all but you would not believe me anyways. - 17:19:08 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:PETER...It appears you have an imposter for there are no CAPS. Here is the link. - 17:20:32 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Len~~~I'm not like them But I can pretend The sun is gone But I have a light The day is done But I'm having fun I think I'm dumb or maybe just happy Think I'm just happy my heart is broke But I have some glue help me inhale And mend it with you We'll float around And hang out on clouds Then we'll come down And have a hangover... have a hangover Skin the sun Fall asleep Wish away The soul is cheap Lesson learned Wish me luck Soothe the burn Wake me up I'm not like them But I can pretend The sun is gone But I have a light The day is done But I'm having fun I think I'm dumb - 17:23:30 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

jan.31 - 17:23:57 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Never try to justify or tie to reality-or to negate for that matter-some hypothesis, or some "what if? proposition for which there is no basis at all. That is the dead end of human epistemlogy, and worse than that. That is a mind- destroyer. - 17:27:51 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:rOB... Ontology, dead in the h20 grasshoppeer all ready. Identity??? - 17:30:57 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate---"Michael(!)" - 17:31:55 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) - 17:32:24 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

PETER... Ayn Rand,does one have to sloely rely on her books. Carl you very bad.lucid dreaming. It is nice to see some atheists like rOB who are a pleasure to talk to about Spinoza and the alike. Rtl get out of here you are not helping our side. - 17:36:11 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Charles Graham:That was my post; it is June I am back. - 17:37:22 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:To dabble in the occult??? I was once like you all but you would not believe me anyways. - 17:38:24 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

a thank you offends them --(-)EllA - 17:39:28 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-) EllA - 17:40:08 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

elecampagne - 17:40:36 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:He never forgets a harm-so goes the Lens Larque legend-and he is famous for clever tricks. Still you did your best and cleverly; you are trickiish man. But why do you keep us talking??? The kitchets are drinking moonlight. - 17:45:49 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 - 17:46:12 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Carl... Binding again. How is your back appearance. How is the "The Honourable Tawnish coming along. glosso - 17:48:49 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Pam... Could you speak a li(tt)le clearer for us. ALL. It is typical of these theists to let their imaginations flow for it is only for them. We certainly must remedy that. It's simply shameful! I could never ask you for your marriage! on the other hand, I might go lame, then where would I be with a jigging husband? Here comes our food oil, and we don't want to think of marriage on empty stomachs. - 17:54:43 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 - 17:55:22 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Keith:Simple I said that much more Carl; I go along with the thoughts of the Ex-atheist on that point. Afterall, Carl says I am into spirits. - 17:58:16 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:Keith you refer to unimaginable things and ask for a contrition to an unknowable something or other that even you in your wildest fancy do not know. As the "don't knows" of your assertions begin to addup, what do you think can become of the position you place yourself? You should communicate well with these heretofore supposed druids, or whatever they think they are, that have since ruined any kind of discussion at this site. So where is that godthing, like right now? - 17:59:50 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:He had a voice so strong and loud and I Swallowed his facade cuz I'm so Eager to identify with I tell you this, one of three Americans die of cancer, you know? Asshole. You're gonna be one of those. They borrow. Eyes. - 18:06:27 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 18:06:51 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 18:07:13 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

pinch of ginger - 18:07:36 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Ed Harley:Am I new here too Charles??? - 18:11:11 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate---"Michael(!)" - 18:11:47 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Pam. Your conscience??? - 18:14:24 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

this dreamer is almost awake your whisper will go through when he regains conscience. - 18:15:30 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate---"Michael(!)" - 18:15:57 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

elecampagne - 18:16:52 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:I read from it Papa and I love you. - 18:29:48 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Mr.Dark~~~ in my hand and toss - 18:30:41 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:rOB... Do you have any information on mammoths??? sperm --(-)whale tooth - 18:32:31 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:ANY: today, its amusing to see it when someone else plays with the "Carl" pseudonym. It also allows me to critique my words and sentences, as in do they still make sense when in use by that other user. Perhaps the user lacks a spirit and an understanding of that state, never mind its dynamism in the goingness. - 19:05:27 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:..as long as Ayn Rand can be shown to be correct, i woll continue to quote from her. Rand incidentally was correct that the evasion of knowledge, and the misrepresentation of reality is thesource of all evil. I would certainly say that as far as this chatroom is concerned, it is ultimately a far more enjoyable place to visit when all the partcipants use a handle each time they post, and use the same one everytime. The alternative results are obvious as only a few ( maybe only one ) get some kind of a thrill out of spamming..posting unidentified messages, posting under various handles including those of some 'regulars'. And the result is only that person gaining some infantile amusement out of the whole excercise. It would seem they are incapable of, or reluctant to engage in civilized comprehensive discussion. The only reason i could see them doing this is getting some kind of high-school level amusement out of watching someone becoming so annoyed at this practice that it prompted him to start another chatrom. - 19:54:17 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:PETER: I've yet to read A.RAND, but another book you ought to pickup- its outta print, is a book titlled "Experience and Conceptual Activity". I'm on a constant lookout for that book. I've read the Univ.copy a couple of times. Its got some very good references and it itself makes for some interesting thought. I'm still looking for anyone else, other thinker writers, who may have spun off the ideas in that book. - 20:08:18 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Carl, maybe you should read the Bible! - 22:01:13 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, I have, some o'it is good and some not so good, The greek classics are more fun to read. - 22:38:47 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Oh, where is the sea? the fish cried, As they swam the crystal clearness through. "We've heard from old of the ocean's tide, And we long to look on the water's blue. The wise ones speak of the infinite sea; Oh, who can tell us if such there be! - 23:58:59 on 20 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Since the other page seems to be "busy" right now I suppose I'll have to tell my news here. I work in a mall in an xtian town. Tonight one of the xtian youth groups were going all over the mall giving out free Diet 7Up and Diet Coke. Along with a pop was a little note saying, "You've been invited to know jesus". Humm..an xtian group that's giving something away and not asking for donations? How can one tell it's not a catholic town? Actually I have to admit, unlike the catholics, the people in this town do a great deal of good for others. Many of them donate the interest on their money in the bank (credit union, most don't like big banks) to charity while others even donate many newly bought articles of furniture, clothing etc. There are always bake sales etc to earn money to send to third world countries and they even buy machinery for farmers in these countries. They are always at the blood donor clinics or if there is a flood or fire they take anyone into their homes. Such good people with such good hearts, why they need jesus as an excuse to do this, I'll never understand... - 4:37:50 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

PASSING THROUGH.....:GOOD...This page is slowly getting back to the good old days. Tip Top. - 12:00:19 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:RICKY-- Let me guess... The wise ones know in their little fish hearts that the sea is infinite, for the fish god has wispered to them? The wise ones could verify this for themselves, if of such a mind, by swimming to the surface or shore. Oops, almost infinite, I guess. Maybe the fish gods were wispering figuratively, yeah that's it! - 15:42:32 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:ANY, there are several points I'd like to make and of course the anti-people talking individual who disrupts discussion here could be accounted for. At other sites, I've dropped off ideas that any religion is just the on-going human-pathos of time. Then today right now, WJC and his socialisms seem to mean to imply, that the human organism in general does know nor seek to be, the nobler creature it can be. On this point I referred to 'their', those atop DC, suggestion to pour 1billion more dollars into welfare. Isn't this a new "serfdom", an effort to increase or maintain handouts? Does this possible action mean to lead result in a nobler human creature? Then there is the matter of his reference in his state o'the union to G.Washington's phrase,"The sacred fire of liberty". Go to an appropriate site and read wherein that passage is contained, for WJC to even utter them, besmirches the very values to which GW refers. It is my opinion that those who favor WJC do so out of self-interest, how is this to become or lead to the nobler human creature? **Then for this site there is RICKY, calling for others to prostrate themselves to ideas and tales of ancient nomads that just followed their animals which went wherever the grass grew. How is this going to result in being that nobler human creature? Then there is the person or persons who have done their darndest to prevent discussion at this site, how will that make any a nobler human creature? Are these last types and the WJC types right? That being that there ain't no such thing as nobility in humans? - 15:48:55 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:CARL...isn't it interesting that your post almost contradicts Marlene's post....Marlene's post had me smiling, for the most part, while your post just slapped me in the face with reality. Which is the true human condition? I like to think that Marlene's townsfolk are the essence of humanity, with or without a mythical bit of writing telling them to go forward and try to right the wrongs of mankind. Call me naive, but politics aside, I think we as a species are inherently good. - 16:18:14 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:JOETTE: Yea, it does give ya'that warm and fuzzi feelin'. To be serious, again, I think too that within most is the goodness as you mean it, it's there. When does the problem arise, perhaps that is the question? Perhaps its when someone like a RICKY "assumes" their experience, of the all that is existence, is somehow more meaningful than ours, maybe that's where the problem is? Then on the other side are those like the problem person[s] presently disrupting this site, do they "assume" they have more to offer, like their magic and other unseeables? The catch here, you know what is said of "assume", break it down. - 18:42:11 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:MARLENE, perhaps the "busy" of the other site is related to a drop in stock values. Today things like Amazon.com and other such concerns are down causing problems for NASDAQ. - 18:57:04 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Steven :ANY <<>> sorry bout the other site. Not sure why it is down, but I will let you guys know as soon as I have some info. - 19:03:02 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

OLIVER---Steven, more soup please??? - 19:04:28 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Oliver:Carl...Does reading Trevor Ravenscroft tempt the stomach for more reading unlike us savages? I am interested in your legible lecture to fill me. Perhaps Rob of the Roses could lend a scrap??? - 19:17:14 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:AMENDS; In my post to 'ANY' the third sentence between commas two and three it s/b -,that the human organism in general does "NOT" know nor seek to be,- sometimes that minds eye thing can be so embarrassing. - 19:22:29 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 soon loverboy - 19:24:30 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 19:24:54 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 19:25:22 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

pinch of ginger - 19:25:44 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:OLIVER, Treavor Ravenscroft do you know if this or that individual is related to the Ravenscroft beauty college in IN? If yes, what would I read? - 19:42:56 on 21 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:some early morning chuckles - 5:39:07 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

A FULLER VERSION OF WHY DID THE CHICKEN>........: WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? * KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: To get to the other side. * PLATO: For the greater good * ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross roads. * KARL MARX: It was a historical inevitability. * TIMOTHY LEARY: Because that's the only trip the establishment would let it take. * SADDAM HUSSEIN: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. * RONALD REAGAN I forget. * CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK; To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. * HIPPOCRATES; Because of an excess of phlegm in its pancreas. * ANDERSEN CONSULTING; Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was threatening its dominant market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create and develop the competencies required for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model (PIM) , Andersen helped the chicken use its skills, methodologies, knowledge, capital and experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and technology in support of its overall strategy within a Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross-spectrum of road analysts and best chickens along with Andersen consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the implicit goals in delivering and successfully architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park-like setting, enabling and creating an impactful environment which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear, and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission,vision, and core values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total business integration solution. Andersen Consulting helped the chicken change to become more successful. * LOUIS FARRAKHAN; The road, you see, represents the black man. The chicken "crossed " the black man in order to trample him and keep him down. * MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.; I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. * MOSES; And God came down from the Heavens, and he said unto the chickens, "Thou shalt cross the road". And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing. * FOX MULDER; You saw it cross the road with your own eyes. How many more chickens have to cross the road before you believe it? * RICHARD M. NIXON; The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken did NOT cross the road. * MACHIAVELLI; The point is that the chicken crosses the road. Who cares why? The end of crossing the road justifies whatever motive there was. * JERRY SEINFELD; Why does anyone cross the road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever think to ask, what the heck was this chicken doing walking around all over the place, anyway? * FREUD; The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. * BILL GATES; I have just released the new Chicken Office 2000, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your check book. * OLIVER STONE; The question is not, "Why did the chicken cross the road?" Rather, it is, "Who was crossing the road at the same time, whom we overlooked in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?" * DARWIN; Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected in such a way that they are now genetically disposed to cross the roads. * EINSTEIN; Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken depends on your frame of reference. * BUDDHA; Asking this question denies your own chicken nature. * RALPH WALDO EMERSON; The chicken did not cross the road....it transcended it. * ERNEST HEMINGWAY; To die. In the rain. * COLONEL SANDERS; I can't believe I missed one. - 12:20:52 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

MOE IN GOOD TASTE>>>>..........: Subject: Only in China.... from Private Eye..................... "I know they are human beings, and eating them is disgusting," Doctor Yang admitted to a reporter in the Sin Hua clinic in Shenzhen, "but eating foetuses can make your skin smoother, your body stronger, and they are also good for kidneys. When I was in an army hospital in Jiangti province, I often brought foetuses home. They were pink, like little mice, with hands and feet. Normally, I buy some pork to make soup with dried mushrooms, and I pop in a few foetuses at the end, being careful not to overcook." The same reporter, who travelled from Hong Kong to ShenAhen to investigate the burgeoning foetus trade, found supplies readily available. "There are ten foetuses here, all aborted this morning," a doctor in the Shenzhen Health Centre said, holding out a glass bottle stuffed with thumbsized embryos. "You can take them. We are a state hospital and don't charge anything. Normally we doctors take them home to eat -- all free -- and they're very tasty. Since you don't look well, you can take them.".................. Shenzhen doctors defended their actions by saying that the embryos were good for their skin and general health. Hospital cleaning women were seen fighting with each other to take the treasured human remains home, after doctors promoted their consumption as a sexual tonic. One former consumer, a Mr Cheng from Hong Kong, told how he once made regular trips across the border to obtain supplies. "I carried a Thermos flask to Shenzhen and brought the foetuses back to Hong Kong to make soup with dried mushrooms. If they gave me twenty or thirty at a time, I put them in the refrigerator. I didn't have the soup every day -- it depended on the supply. Usually, I washed the foetuses clean, and added ginger, orange peel, and dried mushrooms to make soup. After taking it for a while, I felt a lot better and my asthma disappeared. I used to take placenta, but it was not so tasty as foetuses." (Hong Kong Eastern Express, September 1998. Spotter: Sean Donnellan) - 12:24:24 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:JOETTE- Why did the druid just spam the site? To actualize it's potential. I hope Steven can find out what's going on with the other site! - 14:05:05 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:ANY, didja'see that WJC's lawyer goofed, it looks as tho'instead o'dismissal immediate, in the hallowed forum o'the senate chambers the rustle o'unease can be heard. Who's available for some email questions, as 'you' know, I've said this site is not, anymore, a community friendly chat site. - 15:29:47 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

Rickard:How old is the earth? Is it millions of years old or is it a young earth of just a few thousand years old? - 20:26:39 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKARD, duzzit matter? - 20:48:02 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

Richard:I guess it should, does the Bible thumpers have good grounds to stand on when they claim the earth is about six thousand years old. Can they give any proff or does evelotion theries of the earth being millions of years old carry more weight? I think it matters alot because if the world is only thousands of years old, then science and the Bible would go hand in hand. If so, the Bible is a factural book instead of a mythical book, so I guess it would make a lot of difference, wouldn't you say? - 21:39:16 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:RICHARD- But science and the bible will not go hand in hand and that's the reality, I would say! - 21:50:40 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICHARD, I can't see how it would be possible for science and the bible to ever be true. The bible was composed in times of human ignorance. Science has been formed by changes as they became and become known, and will continue. When I asked what does it matter, I inscribed so because I accept change because I've changed. Nothing in the bible or any religious scripture ever changes except for what the authorities chose to change. On this point look at the thing the pope said in regards to evolution. I am not burdened by the slave like morality of religion nor its mentally repressive tenets. - 22:30:20 on 22 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene..If You want to watch:Anyone who may tune in here, Art Bell, the king of the aliens will be a guest on Mellinium (sp. have not time) tonight! Later! - 1:55:49 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

No spam! No posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on websites, or selling anything. - 5:23:57 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Roberta T Lee:No spam! No posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on websites, or selling anything - 5:25:08 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

No spam! No posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on websites, or selling anything - 5:25:56 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 5:26:19 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 5:26:47 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

pinch of ginger - 5:27:22 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Roberta T Lee:No spam! No posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on websites, or selling anything - 17:19:30 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Li(tt)le Miss Muffet:sits on your lightbulb - 17:22:23 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Peg...forever in debt to your priceless advice - 17:26:41 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Roberta T Lee:No spam! No posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on websites, or selling anything. - 17:28:17 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 - 17:29:11 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Yo Chuck! We got running mixes... in the headphones Ah ha ha ha ha! Wicked! Ha Ha! 1 2 3 and I come with the wicked style, and you know that I'm from the wicked crew, you act like you knew, but I got everybody jumping to the voodoo. You kickin' wicked rhymes, picket signs, me and my mob got a truck full of 9's. Drop then I'll slay ya, bang, bang, birthday for the a-hole Ready to buck, buck, buck, but it's a must to duck, duck, duck, before I bust ya, looking for the one that did it. You want my vote, no your never gonna get it, cause I'm the one with the phat mad skills, and I won't choke like the Buffalo Bills. Sittin' at the pad just chillin', Larry Parker just got 2 million, oh what a fucking feeling! That nigger done past me the pill, and I slam dunk it like Shaquille O'Neal. Wicked, wreckin' baby I'll rock that test tube baby, take it... 'Cause I get Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire Yes I Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire Yes I Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire But now I'm in your face, so you'll keep on your fire Don't say nothing just listen, got me a plan to break Tyson out of prison. You going my way you get served, still got a deuce then I bunny hop the curb. Nappy head, nappy chest, nappy chin, never seen with a happy grin, going flat frown cause I'm down, so take a look around, all you see is big black boots steppin', use my steel toe as a weapon. And it's awfully quiet you want to live with this nigger, to with the stick. Ah, but that's nasty, 'cause I got a body count like Ice-T. From in New York I get them skins, and I ain't talking about pork. Your sly, you pig, dig, listen from the flow from a soul fro'ed caucasian, oh, your picket signs, you know all this funky ass wisdom picket budget talking. 'Cause I get Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire Yes I Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire Yes I Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire But now I'm in your face, so you'll keep on your fire People wanna know how come I got a Gat and I'm sitting at the window like Malcolm. Ready to bring that noise and going to get heavy like the Ghetto Boyz. December 29th was power to the people, you might just see a sequel, 'cause police got equal pay, a horse is a pig that don't fly straight. I'm doin Daryl Gates but it's Willie Willams, I'm down with the pilgrims, I'm through with the pig, so I think the job is dead, get out... 'Cause I get Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire Yes I Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire Yes I Wicked! I told them not to keep on their fire But now I'm in your face, so you'll keep on your fire - 17:35:56 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Li(tt)le Miss Muffet:sits on your lightbulb - 17:36:40 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:They borrow...Eyes - 17:38:20 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Li(tt)le Miss Muffet:sits on your lightbulb - 17:39:11 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) - 17:41:09 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 17:45:12 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

leave the boy here Ed Harley - 17:47:19 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene~~~We have a would-be rapper on our site. sheesh!!! - 17:56:25 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

jan.31 - 17:57:15 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:We have a would-be rapper on our site. sheesh!!! - 17:58:24 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene~~~We have a would-be rapper on our site. sheesh!!! - 17:58:56 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:-->Marlene. I think that was rOB. Maybe it was Len or Adam. - 18:00:39 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Marlene. Have a hole to fix? Here is the link. Give it a try without all these (s)pamming posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on websites, or selling anything. - 18:03:10 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

jan.31 - 18:03:52 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

lus mor - 18:04:19 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Carl---I am not burdened by the slave like morality of religion nor its mentally repressive tenets. offensive/lucid dreaming - 18:07:01 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

simple=simplictiy - 18:10:40 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST .ALL Of that above simple post, I dabble but you would not believe anyways. Forget it now,I am an atheist(s)pamming posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on my websites, or selling anything. - 18:14:29 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Keith```Ex-ATHEIST... I talk of that word much as well as one's reading of the Bible. Funny, how one portrays himself as both a theist and an atheist. Forget it that person loses himself in fairy gold;Carl tells me I'm into the spirit-thing. - 18:19:33 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

PosLin: Dance with me. (cackling) - 18:35:38 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Ash: Ahhhhhh .... Ehhh... yeah, just a- - 18:37:24 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

PosLin: Hello lover. - 18:38:36 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Ash goes into the workshed with a stick - 18:39:36 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke~~~penis - 18:40:12 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate```"Michael(!)" vagina - 18:41:23 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Keith, I guess I'm in the spirit thing too. But if I have to decide between the evelotionary theory and the young-earth theory, I think the young earth theories are comming up with more actuall facts all the time. Several scientist have proven that coal and oil that some scientist say takes millions of years to form, in fact, only takes a few years. I'm going with the young-earth theory. It's more logical and reasonable. - 22:37:07 on 23 Jan 99 GMT

I'm cumming up too - 8:30:06 on 24 Jan 99 GMT

leave the boy here Ed Harley - 8:30:42 on 24 Jan 99 GMT

comming up all the time - 8:32:14 on 24 Jan 99 GMT

Your friend Ricky:Papa Sam Sure would like to have a talk with you. Leave me a time when you're free and let's get together. Maybe I can share some good points in beleiving in Christianity, and you can give me some views on why I should be converted to atheist beliefs. If nothing else, we can humor one another! - 4:07:34 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Carl don't know where to really put his money at. He believes in the worldly things - 5:43:06 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Marline,, what are you thinking about? I sometimes wonder if you really have a mind to think with! - 5:45:16 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

It's M-A-R-L-E-N-E, you dinkus!:Even sheep have minds, that's what I'm thinking and there are so many of you little dumb animals out there. - 6:20:15 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Yes, and you are truley a lamb, one standing doumb before her sheerer! Better wake up for you get "burned" - 6:24:27 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

M_A_R_L_E_N_E:PAPASAM- Maybe he'll even play you a tune. Let's see, maybe you can request a little Ozzy Osborne. Or maybe he can key a Beatles song backward and show you all the satanic messages in it, or even better maybe just Far Away will do. - 6:24:40 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

M_A_R_L_E_N_E:If I were a sheep and I'm proud to say I'M NOT! I would not stand dumb before a damn "sheerer", I'd be leaping off into a meadow and flip up my tail as I leave. - 6:28:22 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

M_A_R_L_E_N_E:Well, I can't stay to chat Ricky, I have to go read about you in the _Dumbeth News_. - 6:31:38 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Y2K.:I'm really looking forward to the American Y2K problem. "Hey, that guy's got food. BLAM! Total cash shortage due panic. Heating problems etc. The Americans have not killed anyone since Desert Storm. Oozing testosterone. Malitia busting to rock and roll. I just hope that the TV works to the Southern Hemisphere. - 12:11:37 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:TO X-poster, who doesn't or can't help but "believe" in earthly things? How dare you cross thru' a streets crosswalk unless you believe the driver the handler of two tons o'mental knows what you know about controling that metal heap? If you don't believe such you and your fears or hesitations to move about would both be in some sanitarium for the insane. Where would or should I be because I don't accept a godthing[s]? X-poster I am of the opinion the early observers of the hman organism saw this simply thing of "belief" and simply began to spin a tale about it that has taken itself to the form now known as religion. Was there ever a godthing? - 15:52:36 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, the young earth theory, it does have a lot of appeal for, lets say its for simplicitys sake. In this simplicity it also could follow that there really is a flatworld, too! How could we say this, look around you. What more do you need to see? Evolution? Who knows change especially one that spans beyond our twinkle of a lifetime. A young earth, it sure does seem more reasonable for the purposes of our barely not nothing time of existence as life. Afterall, what more does any need know of things unknowable? And, if unknowable then it must follow that its surely illogical- at least, afterall if its not here and now or within a 'few years' time, it must fall into the evidence dismissable category. Afterall, ocular evidence does it not always tell true? - 16:08:25 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

A Subtle Buoyancy of Pulse :time is on my side - 18:57:13 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

--(-)cat - 19:00:34 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 leave the boy here Ed Harley:azzail - 19:02:36 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

PosLin: Dance with me. (cackling) - 19:04:15 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Ash: Ahhhhhh .... Ehhh... yeah, just a- - 19:04:54 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

PosLin: :Hello lover. - 19:05:41 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

hi- i am an atheist really - 19:17:58 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST .ALL Of that above simple post, I dabble but you would not believe anyways. Forget it now,I am an atheist(s)pamming posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on my websites, or selling anything. - 19:18:29 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 19:18:53 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Carl: Check out the site "www.creationscience.com/" Good and interesting findings on several subjects concerning the earth, man, dino's, and other good stuf! - 23:20:38 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Bill::To Be or not to be, that is the question… but labels offend me --(-) EllA??? - 23:30:29 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

```Down the subway stairs... - 23:34:42 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

this --(-)monkey psi* - 23:35:21 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, not interesting were they, dishonest was more like an explanation. I've spent time there and only if one already knows a truth would the info there be significant. I like evolution because it best accounts for change, the static? For static matters, evolution is antithetical. Xtian-religiously inclined views are but forms of aristotelian logic, for quantumelectro dynamic thories the aristotelian accounts are rendered false to facts. This is probably why some religions attempt to join with quantum theorys, wouldn't you think? - 23:54:15 on 25 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, but dangit! How does a relgion like the xtian thing change its preferred tales as once told by nomads following their herd animals which but went wherever the grass grew best? How they gonna change that? Afterall, all those old nomads wanted was more pastureland. Xtians, however, [do you think jesus knew what a xtian was] want more than a pasture, don't you agree? - 0:00:36 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Carl: The only thing I'm saying is that evolutionest surely don't want to tell me that life emeraged from something dead, or some matter or cell floating around somewhere. I'm Just saying that it takes life to make life. Wouldn't you agree? Anything having life, wether it's plant or animal, it first has to have intelligence, the scientific word would be "Teleonomy", when you have life, you have teleonomy, when there is no life, such as a dead branch of a tree, you have no teleonomy. So, you tell me, where did life originate from? - 2:57:17 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

What come first, the chicken, or the egg? - 2:58:07 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

M_A_R_L_E_N_E:Oh Ricky...do you ever read? You ask questions but are really not interested in informative answers. If you were, you'd read, read, read and read some more. The only thing you seem to have figured out is that when something is dead, it's dead. Just like I will be and you will be some day. Just like a dead branch. - 4:15:58 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Your Buddy:Yes, Marline, I read, and study, got a batc. of science degree, working on a masters, and it's evident you're already dead, "that is brain dead" Maybe you need to read some too! Read some real scientific facts on earth origin, might learn something new! - 4:45:55 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:I ask alot of questions, just examin the answers you come up with and decide wich ones make more since! - 4:47:52 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 5:29:26 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

hi- i am an atheist really - 5:36:15 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

He cast a grim shadow Through the busy street Said he was a junkie And he punctuated his walk with a gun Motiveless murder The papers scream The cops all said The crowd was iced by the sight Oh baby don't it make you feel so bad Dark clouds are over the street After what I read, I can hardly feel my heart...My heart beat Down the subway stairs After him they leapt An echo snap and scream of fire The hot pursuit was done For the last time he felt the light And gave up his last fight Oh baby don't it make you feel so bad Dark clouds are over the street After what I read, I can hardly feel my heart... - 5:47:08 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 5:48:26 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 5:48:50 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

a pinch of ginger - 5:49:22 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Dennis Byrd:When an aspiring law student damages his spinal cord and is left a quadriplegic, he recruits an educated lab monkey to help assist him in his day-to-day activities. But is it a dream come true or a nightmare, as the two become closer it seems the monkey can read his mind and his mind seems to be affected by the monkey's. - 5:57:19 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 leave the boy here Ed Harley:azzail - 5:58:39 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

PosLin:Hello lover - 6:00:28 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

why did the --(-)chicken cross the road - 6:01:44 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

why did the --(-)chicken cross the road - 6:01:52 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Die - 6:05:35 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST .ALL Of that above simple post, I dabble but you would not believe anyways. Forget it now,I am an atheist(s)pamming posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on my websites, or selling anything. . The only thing you seem to have figured out is that when something is dead, it's dead. - 6:12:38 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Dennis Byrd:When an aspiring law student damages his spinal cord and is left a quadriplegic, he recruits an educated lab monkey to help assist him in his day-to-day activities. But is it a dream come true or a nightmare, as the two become closer it seems the monkey can read his mind and his mind seems to be affected by the monkey's. - 6:13:22 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

No, there is more... We know how little we and you really know or can know. Do you know? - 6:15:12 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Silence... Here I am... Here I am... Silent... Bright and clear... It's what I am... I have... Died... uhhhh... uhhhh... uhhhh... uhhhh... Death... With violence... Excitment... Right here... Died... Go to a RTL hell... Here I am... Right here... Ow... No mas... No mas... No mas... No mas... Death... Is what I am... Go to a RTL hell... Go to jail... In back of that... Crime... Here I am... Take a chance... Dead... Die... Other interpretations possible... - 6:18:15 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Rob a pulse of death in a modem:Silence... Here I am... Here I am... Silent... Bright and clear... It's what I am... I have... Died... uhhhh... uhhhh... uhhhh... uhhhh... Death... With violence... Excitment... Right here... Died... Go to a RTL hell... Here I am... Right here... Ow... No mas... No mas... No mas... No mas... Death... Is what I am... Go to a RTL hell... Go to jail... In back of that... Crime... Here I am... Take a chance... Dead... Die... Other interpretations possible... - 6:19:20 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Silence... Here I am... Here I am... Silent... Bright and clear... It's what I am... I have... Died... uhhhh... uhhhh... uhhhh... uhhhh... Death... With violence... Excitment... Right here... Died... Go to a RTL hell... Here I am... Right here... Ow... No mas... No mas... No mas... No mas... Death... Is what I am... Go to a RTL hell... Go to jail... In back of that... Crime... Here I am... Take a chance... Dead... Die... Other interpretations possible... - 6:20:59 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Robert T Lee:All I know I dabble in mesmerism but I own this web site under a certain label. - 6:23:20 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

flutter flutter - 6:24:02 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

why did the --(-)chicken cross the road - 6:24:08 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 6:24:59 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 6:25:29 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

pour milk onto the ground - 6:26:01 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Dennis Byrd:When an aspiring law student damages his spinal cord and is left a quadriplegic, he recruits an educated lab monkey to help assist him in his day-to-day activities. But is it a dream come true or a nightmare, as the two become closer it seems the monkey can read his mind and his mind seems to be affected by the monkey's. - 6:30:04 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST .ALL Of that above simple post, I dabble but you would not believe anyways. Forget it now,I am an atheist(s)pamming posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on my websites, or selling anything. . The only thing you seem to have figured out is that when something is dead, it's dead. - 6:33:56 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 leave the boy here Ed Harley:azzail - 6:34:32 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 6:35:10 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate```"Michael(!)" - 6:36:04 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:I ask alot of questions, just examin the answers you come up with and decide witch ones make more since! - 6:37:23 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-)EllA - 6:38:18 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

By silverfish imperetrix, whose incorrupted eye... Sees through the charms of doctors and their wives... By salamander, drake, and the power that was undine... Rise to claim Saturn, ring and sky By those who see with their eyes close... They know me by my black telescope... Your green tree mantle from which these things derive... A lens of quartz and refract spoke that crystal lens... Whose crystal rope once bound me to those Doctors and wives... When my vision was oh, so cloudy And I saw things through two eyes... I am a sailor on the raging depths And I know a thing or two.... Back to the corner mates and over the side Yes I know a thing or two... By silverfish imperetrix, whose incorrupted eye Sees through the charms of doctors and their wives By salamander, drake, and the power that was undine... Rise to claim Saturn, ring and sky By those who see with their eyes closed... you'll know me by my black telescope... Before my great conversion when the ridge was closed... Before my visit to the workshop of telescopes... - 6:45:09 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) - 6:45:48 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

stick in the workshed I cum - 6:47:00 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:Whomever the (s)pammer is over here, (and boy did he/she/it have a field day last night and this morning), is actually reading the posts here. I know this because the posts under my name over here are mentioning things that I have only talked about here. The only posts I have made there in ages were about Van Gogh. Oh well, small things amuse small minds. Forget it you would not believe me anyways even if I was this label without the ex-. - 7:05:07 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

No, there is more... We know how li(tt)le we and you really know or can know. Do you know? borrow censorship magick - 7:06:19 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:I [didn't too / don't have the] courageto kick your ass directly. Don't have enough courage for that,I could, you know. - 7:10:43 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:I ask alot of questions, just examin the answers you come up with and decide witch ones make more since! - 7:11:27 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 7:12:13 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:```"Michael(!)" - 7:12:50 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, you cry out for a god. You are very like the individual who refers to the magic of runes and druids and other such what-nots. Like them you place yourself your mind in the most difficult position you can imagine. Instead of the things the other individual refers to you want a godthing. You see a gap wherein a godthing must be because you can't or won't decide what is there. In yours and my lifetimes we'll probably never know an answer. But, we are further along the way than those old nomads just who followed their animal herds which just went where the grass grew best. Life, when does it end? Does it end? Maybe thats the question. - 17:35:00 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

MIMM2 is down again...grumble, grumble - 18:25:37 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:I'll take the Kotzash shares; you can divide the money; six hundred SVU. Is this agreeable to you both? Very well. You go in on the left, I on the right, with an arm's length between us and we will push him out backwards. - 18:58:37 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:OPEN... I am constantly startled and often amused by the diverse attitudes toward wealth to be found among peoples of the Oikumene. Some societies equate affluence with criminal skill; for others wealth represents the gratitude of society for the performance of valuable services. My own concepts in this regard are easy and clear, and I am sure that the word 'simplistic' will be used by my critics. These folk are callow and turgid of intellect; I am reassured by their howls and yelps. For present purpose I exclude criminal wealth, the garnering of which needs no elaboration, and a a gambler's wealth, which is tinsel. - 19:07:52 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:rOB, you cry out for a god. You are very like the individual who refers to the magic of runes and druids and other such what-nots. Like them you place yourself your mind in the most difficult position you can imagine. Instead of the things the other individual refers to you want a godthing. You see a gap wherein a godthing must be because you can't or won't decide what is there. In yours and my lifetimes we'll probably never know an answer. But, we are further along the way than those old nomads just who followed their animal herds which just went where the grass grew best. Life feeds on life as you often refer... Does it end? Maybe thats the question. - 19:10:07 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:ANY; looks like there are two Carl pseudonyms, so how do we determine which carl does the address posting? - 19:10:10 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

rOB---To Carl, my thoughts exactly but I have a hard time understanding your posts as Steven attests. Maybe if you can make your posts stay here, a stick finds a hole. lucid dreaming. Hi Carl, i am an atheist really. Does it seem i have an interest in druidic tendencies? - 19:16:25 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

This bread slicing system is the ideal companion to bread machines! It effortlessly slices bread for making perfect toast and sandwiches. The precision-coded guide slots direct the electric knife for even slices every time. Cut thick slices for garlic bread and texas toast. Slicing bagels has never been easier! Bread slicing guide and stainless steel blades are immersible. - 19:17:41 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Peg``` We hear you're leaving, that's OK I thought our little wild time had just begun, I guess you kind of scared yourself, you turn and run But if you have a change of heart. Rikki don't lose that number; you don't wanna call nobody else. Send it off in a letter to yourself. Rikki don't lose that number; it's the only one you own. You might use it if you feel better, when you get home. I have a friend in town, he's heard your name. We can go out driving on Slow Hand Row We could stay inside and play games I don't know. And you could have a change of heart. [chorus] [solo] You tell yourself your not my kind, But you don't even know your mind. And you could have a change of heart. [chorus] Rikki don't lose that number Rikki don't lose that number Rikki don't lose that number - 19:23:56 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

PETER:Ricky... Heard that song before? Sounds synchronous. - 19:26:04 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Pam--- PETER...I am sure that the word 'synchronous' will be used by my critics. Just got back from a theist meeting;enter the workshed. This will be my last post. Goodbye from a misunderstood Druid. - 19:29:59 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 19:33:47 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 19:34:09 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

pour milk onto the ground - 19:34:34 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Pezzo di merda, figlio di puttana... They borrow.Eyes - 19:42:06 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL Of that above simple post, I dabble in Morrisey but you would not believe anyways. Forget it now,I am an atheist(s)pamming posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on my websites, or selling anything. . The only thing you seem to have figured out is that when something is dead, it's dead. - 19:45:50 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31 leave the boy here Ed Harley:azzail - 19:46:20 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 19:46:45 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Joette-->Lith, It is sad how the other atheists offend your druidic beliefs. To the others you know it really pisses me off when we finally have a theist here who can speak rationally and we pretend to see trees sway in our backyards. Now Lith, I am curious to know how sex and magick cum together??? Witty, clever, and intuitive - I just can`t stand Moz`s whingey whiney voice. It jsut really grates. However, the album sounds ok to me. Not something I would say is seminal (love that word!) but not bad, I s`pose. - 19:52:22 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Oliver:emaciated. Carl in these grumble times you can offer info on Trevor(as we spoke at an earlier time)??? - 19:57:01 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Joette... seminal sheesh!!! Steven I think hit the stick by saying this druid child never goes to school. Oliver, you are new here. Are you an atheist? I suppose Gort hints because I like to use test all the time even though I am an atheist who does not believe in the supernatural. Oliver,I am sure that the word 'test' will be used by my critics. - 20:02:14 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

test - 20:02:41 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Good Will Hunting:Now as an atheist I post a link. - 20:03:50 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL Of that above simple post, I dabble but you would not believe anyways. Forget it now,I am an atheist(s)pamming posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on my websites, or selling anything. . The only thing you seem to have figured out is that when something is dead, it's dead. - 20:04:59 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Pezzo di merda, figlio di puttana... They borrow.Eyes - 20:05:31 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Pezzo di merda, figlio di puttana... They borrow.Eyes - 20:06:12 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Steven:Here is the link for MIMM2... Go up or go down as Carl states "My own concepts in this regard are easy and clear, and I am sure that the word 'simplistic' will be used by my critics"... - 20:09:21 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Jerry:Back from a theist meeting too, but whom posts this --(-)monkey psi* and types the comment in the box below, adding a name and URL (if you wish) in those boxes. - 20:15:19 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 20:16:03 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Tony~~~rOB, you cry out for a god. You are very like the individual who refers to the magic(k) of runes and druids and other such what-nots. Like them you place yourself your mind in the most difficult position you can imagine. Instead of the things the other individual refers to you want a godthing. You see a gap wherein a godthing must be because you can't or won't decide what is there. In yours and my lifetimes we'll probably never know an answer. But, we are further along the way than those old nomads just who followed their animal herds which just went where the grass grew best. Life feeds on life as you often refer... Does it end? Maybe thats the question or why I call a precious. To be or not be---you know the rest. - 20:19:55 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Bill---Hey Tony, use my line??? I am not much into --(-)lamb's blood but although there is no simple definition that is completely accurate, entropy can be viewed as a measure of randomness or disorder. rOB, I stick in your hairy sandbox. - 20:26:39 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Joette... Bill ,good to hear from you again. But how can a sandbox bE hairy??? I should address that to our tree lover PAM I guess. - 20:30:13 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 20:36:20 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

http://www.lavamind.com/pet.html - 20:53:00 on 26 Jan 99 GMT

Bill---To Be or Entropy, that is the question... but why did you do this --(-) Ella??? - 0:50:50 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Oliver:emaciated. Carl in these grumble times you can offer info on Trevor(as we spoke at an earlier time)??? - 0:52:00 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 0:53:05 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 0:53:29 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

a pinch of ginger - 0:53:57 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

--(-)my sandbox runneth over EllA!!! - 0:54:58 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

pour sand onto the ground - 0:56:36 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

white sand and milk - 0:57:25 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

why is my head in the sand --(-) EllA??? - 1:01:23 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:Pezzo di merda, figlio di puttana... They borrow.Eyes - 1:04:04 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:BILL. This is from my Webster's New World Dictionary. paradox 1. a statement that seems contradictory, absurd, etc. but may be true in fact. 2. a statement that is self-contradictory in fact and, hence, false. 3. a person or thing seeming inconsistent and full of contradictions. - 1:19:00 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Bill ---rOB taking the time out for your views of the paradox. Quite kind. Joette,,,But how can a sandbox bE hairy??? I should address that to our tree lover PAM I guess. - 1:21:17 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:Of that above simple post, I dabble but you would not believe anyways. Forget it now,I am an atheist(s)pamming posts that are exclusively for the purpose of generating hits on my websites, or selling anything. . The only thing you seem to have figured out is that when something is dead, it's dead. - 1:22:12 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 1:23:32 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke~~~penis,,,my sandbox runneth over - 1:29:56 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:"Michael(!)" vagina - 1:30:53 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

jan. 31. azazel leave the boy here Ed Harley The corpse is so decayed that the penis withers off and Rob cuts a broom handle to replace it. Well would you believe that the young woman decides to leave Rob, taking the corpse with her! - 2:03:11 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Oliver:emaciated. Carl in these grumble times you can offer info on Trevor(as we spoke at an earlier time)??? - 2:04:05 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 2:05:12 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Bill. A paradox is also a person who assumes another's identity to post items on this site. This action may be based on an admiration of the person whose identity is assumed. I guess I should feel flattered, since I did not post the definitions. I would prefer that my secret admirer find another role model to credit for his quotes. - 2:32:23 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Just want to say Hi Papasam! Why don't you visit the other site. I miss you! - 4:29:41 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:Papa Sam I miss you too! - 18:17:11 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:P'SAM, whats up? hope you have been in jail or something and not some worse place, like a hospital. Are you gonna go to hear what the pope has to say or anything like that? - 18:49:59 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:P'SAM, whats up? hope you have been in jail or something and not some worse place, like a hospital. Are you gonna go to hear what the pope has to say or anything like that? - 18:50:06 on 27 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Carl. In line with your peculiar good wishes I hope you break a leg rather than your spine. Not that I wish either of them to happen. Fortunately I am relaxing at home. As for going to see the pope, I pass. I can think of many other better things to do, like taking a good shit. - 0:59:39 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

jaywilson---y'know--:Papasam: When John Paul II takes a dump, you can bet he's not thinking of us either. - 3:50:27 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:Hey, Jay! I was wondering if you still came around now 'n then. - 4:20:13 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Joette:Papasa....you have given me a great laugh...thank you! - 5:04:08 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Bill:PapaSam...atlukum - 7:45:21 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Bill:PapaSam...atlukum - 7:46:01 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Bill:PapaSam...atlukum - 7:46:41 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 7:47:20 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 7:47:44 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

pour milk onto the ground - 7:48:29 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Quake:naplusum - 7:53:06 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Joette-->Papasa These paradigms are on a par with Tarski's familiar paradigm for truth. - 8:01:14 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam---Quake or any delusional person I, Hammurabi, I explain before. - 8:40:51 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 8:41:17 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke~~~penis,,,my sandbox runneth over - 8:41:51 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:"Michael(!)" vagina - 8:42:18 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:P'SAM, yea, don't make a stranger o'yourself - 15:39:27 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:P'SAM. I grabbed her from behind and buried my face between her buttocks, savoring the juiciness of her. She laughed; I laughed. The stick of us together,were a festival. The wildness returned, deeper and richer than before. This time images formed behind my closed eyes. I saw the naked tree rising in the clearing. I saw moonlight gleaming on spears, and golden sparks flying upward...and, at the ultimate moment, I caught the briefest glimpse of one particular, dauntless face. Vercingetorix, I whispered into Briga's hair as the cosmos crashed around us. I stared up at the sky and reflected on the nature of the special climax that can occur with a special woman. The climax that takes place not in the loins, but in the head and the spirit. Magick was not too stong a term. At last I thought I had nothing left to give; then Briga took me into her mouth and caressed my thighs and belly until they grew heavy with the need to give again. She swallowed my seed in lavish gulps. 'Now your body will nourish mine and become part of me', she whispered, pleased with herself. I had a sudden vision of Menua becoming part of an oak tree. - 17:32:28 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

lucid dreaming:jan. 31. leave the boy here Ed Harley.azazel - 17:34:04 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Llad dafad dall:elecampagne - 17:35:43 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Herman Melville---CARL."My thoughts exactly(!)" - 17:37:53 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Oliver:emaciated. Carl in these grumble times you can offer info on Trevor(as we spoke at an earlier time)??? - 17:38:42 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:to Carl the stud, thats fun readin'stuff! if you're the tree huggin'Carl just lettin'you kno'I oft try that kinda writin but its usually pretty meaningless. But that wasn't bad. Hats off. - 17:49:35 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 18:00:52 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Quake:Carl.mithurum - 18:01:48 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 18:02:39 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 18:03:00 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

a pinch of ginger - 18:03:24 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Pam---Carl. Close but no cigar. - 18:07:51 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

rOB:Carl. Close but no stick. - 18:08:53 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Lith---I [didn't too / don't have the] courageto kick your ass directly. Don't have enough courage for that,I could, you know. - 18:13:38 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Ron to Carl... I remember K. Nephilm really to simple for a simple --(-)EllA consideration of operation nonetheless, your banishment with laughter even an atheist grows tired of that chaos,an art in a risk free environment really unimpressive EllA feel compelled - 18:21:34 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL. see what i mean of that simple post nevermind - 18:23:06 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke~~~penis,,,my sandbox runneth over - 18:23:37 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:Michael(!)" vagina - 18:24:19 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:yea, don't make a stranger o'yourself a long time ago i turned to myself and said you are my daughter i saw that the image i saw there was well so you are my daughter well then maybe we've got something to stick about who told you so??? that fairy gold burns slow like coal camper's candles all lost in the snow lay down you're on the warmth that i'm weaving is for you alone up on the moon there's an ocean with a wind that never blows and if you 'see' it closer then the finer points will show not too much more too much more cum more - 18:41:11 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Kevin Lomax---Carl.And, of course, stuff such as this just feeds the empty minds. hi i am atheist really. Perhaps I jump your workshed. - 19:08:05 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 19:08:42 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 19:09:09 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

pour milk onto the ground - 19:09:37 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Quake---Carl...lapatu - 19:10:35 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

: - 19:10:57 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

The "Druidic" nature of Michael's evil power to take all sorts of abuse is referred to several times during the movie's accursed ninety minutes, but at the end of the film we are taunted with the possibility that the Man in Black's fascination with Michael may be of a scientific nature. That, however, is all we get. - 19:15:07 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

passing thru because of the censorship of MIMM2---scientific. sounds tranquil - 19:17:41 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

nature offends them --(-)EllA - 19:18:29 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

EX-ATHEIST:ALL. see what i mean of that simple post nevermind - 19:19:16 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke~~~penis,,,my sandbox runneth over - 19:19:41 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:Michael(!)" vagina - 19:20:07 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Dave:ALL: Druidism is evil and is goes against the teachings of Jesus Christ. Do not believe the "harmless" New Age image -ritual sexual and physical abuse is still encouraged today and you must listen to Christ's authority - 19:52:34 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

David:ALL: Read more here, or if you have questions mail me at: dlbrown@execpc.com - 20:09:16 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Ricky:"Go on Dave" I'll go along with that. Atheist believe that death, sickness, and other disasterous happenings would not occur if there was a God. They just don't get it! Satan is the author of sin and sinful things that occur. He fills the minds of people with doubt and insecurities. Only through Christ can we live a life of joy knowing that whatever happens, God will bless us for our perserverance. - 23:29:56 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Skip:Yea David, Druids and their supposed majick suck. - 23:34:31 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:RICKY, according to the myths in bible, the godthing says, but not litteraly that death was a consequence of disobedience. So a question is did death exist somewhere else and the mythical godthing was holding it at bay? Or another question is, did the mtyhical storied godthing 'create' death? Now the hard part of determining which of just these two questions is the accurate account, one has to find and review all the storys that produced the book of genesis. But then that story was composed when the folks who we now call jews weren't jews but nomads outta'maybe India. It must be asked, was there ever a godthing? - 23:48:45 on 28 Jan 99 GMT

DGreat:Ricky! How does it feel not to have an opinion of your own? How can you not see the weakness of your statements? Is it too much to ask of people to think before they speak (or write in your case)? AND why are YOU and DAVE posting here? Should you not have this spiritual dialogue somewhere where people wouldn't criticize you for your lack of intelligence? - 5:12:08 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Steven :RICKY <<>> and in your myth, who created Satan? - 15:29:32 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:Imagine, Ricky, David and the druid all arguing over who's myth is better. Kind of sounds like "my dad is bigger than your dad!" doesn't it. Puerile to say the least! - 17:37:08 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene:RICKY- Yes, according to you, didn't your god create all things including Stan? - 17:40:55 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene Warning! Warning!:RICKY- And another thing, you better watch that Stan, as your mind seems to be filled with doubts and insecuritites!! - 17:44:10 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Bill:All.O well done! I commend your pains; And every one shall share i' the gains; And now about the cauldron sing, Live elves and fairies in a ring, Enchanting all that you put in. By the pricking of my thumbs, Something wicked this way comes. Open, locks, Whoever knocks! Enter - 17:54:08 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 17:54:44 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 17:55:04 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

a pinch of ginger - 17:55:40 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Ray Stanz ---Everything was fine with the system until the power grid shut off by dickless over here - 18:01:19 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:~~~penis,,,my sandbox runneth over - 18:02:06 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:Michael(!)" vagina - 18:02:35 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

DGreat:see what i mean of that simple post nevermind - 18:03:36 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

I plot your rubric scarab, I steal your satellite I want your wife to be my Baby tonight, baby tonight I choose to steal what you chose to show And you know I will not apologize You're mine for the taking I'm making a career of evil Pay me I'll be your surgeon I'd like to pick your brain Capture you inject you Leave you kneeling in the rain Kneeling in the rain I choose to steal what you chose to show And you know I will not apologize You're mine for the taking I'm making a career of evil I'd like your blue eyed horseshoe, I'd like your emerald horny toad I'd like to do it to your daughter on a dirt road And then I'd spend your rANSOM money, But still I'd keep your sheep I'd peel the mask you're wearing, And then rOB you of your sleep rOB you of your sleep I choose to steal what you chose to show And you know I will not apologize You're mine for the taking I'm making a career of evil - 18:08:45 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

--(-) - 18:09:12 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Quake---Carl...lapatu - 18:09:42 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

: - 18:10:12 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

fariy gold - 18:11:01 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 18:11:33 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Marlene Warning! Warning:I am not sure of the spelling; nonsense and all - 18:13:41 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Peter Venkman... Marlene. It's true. This man has no dick. - 18:16:25 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:QUAKE... He alighted from the cab and looked across the field. In the place of the Ettilia Gargantyr lay a few smouldering shards. Gersen stood rigid with rage and dismay. Predictable! he told himself betwee clenched teeth. Lens Larque plays quaint tricks!. He destroys lawsuit and ship together, and collects full insurance! These premiums Ottile Panshaw will not have neglected - 18:31:13 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 18:31:47 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

modhu to Carl-Of th' adherent men without hats. Do you like Rammstein??? - 18:34:29 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Lith:You know you're gonna have another accident??? You know I'm involved with black majick??? Fuck you. Die. Bastard. You think you're so cool, hm? Asshole - 18:38:55 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

bob---hmmm? - 18:39:33 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Keith:hi i am an atheist really - 18:50:23 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Pam~~~Carl...I choose to steal what you chose to show And you know I will not apologize. This will be my last post. Goodbye from a misunderstood Druid. Wierd... - 18:57:34 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Thorn is the third rune in what is believed to be a group of 33. That part is only speculation due to the different beliefs through the years. But, it is speculated as the third rune. Thorn is also known as Thurisaz, pronounced thu-ri-saz. Thu...ri, like rig...saz with "a" as in father. The base meaning to this is "Gateway, with thorns of resistance." It also has been known as Dorn, you can see there are many synonyms for this rune. Thorns can be looked upon in two ways, as a barrier and as a protection or a separator from the "other side" of change. So, there is good and bad in thorn. In accordance to that, thorn is a rune of testing and challenge, as well as protection and defense. To simplify this, I'll try to state it like this. Its Divinatory meaning is: Hardship, painful event, etc. Obviously, this fits Michael to a "t." Its magical uses are to aid in study and meditation and self meditation. I find this amazing because Michael had TOTAL self control and meditation. After researching, all of this is finally coming together. To understand thorn, you must realize all that's behind it. So, it helps to understand where it falls on the tonal axis. It spans from the fourteen (Earthly father), through the four (the place of the Animals...possibly explaining his eating of the dog in the first Halloween),the ten (the mind), the three, the thirteen, and the one. The one is the place of Fire. Obviously the fire explains the RAGE in Michael Myers. Some of the potential negative trends are Demonic Influence, damage, deception, and perishing of enemies. Well, looky what we have here! All of those explain Michael Myers. To help understand Thorn, here is the POEM that goes hand in hand with thorn: A third song I know: If urgency tells me to tie the opponent w/magic Then I dullen the steel of my foes So that their swords will not cut anymore. This poem can explain Michael's influence of thorn. They believed a person was inflicted with this curse so that they could spare the lives of all other people in that "tribe." Here is something you will find AMAZING! Under Christian proselytizing influence, the Latin alphabet was generally adopted, and only two runes survived: the wynn (yes, you read correctly, the WYNN), which looked a lot like a P, and the thorn, which looked like a "p" with a neck splint. Isn't that amazing, that WYNN was one of the runes that survived? Could this explain the fascination that Dr. Wynn has with Michael's powers? Maybe this led to his name of "Wynn!" Weird Stuff. Lastly, I'll leave you with something that could possibly be used for HALLOWEEN 7. The lesson of this rune is to learn you must suffer. Not only literal suffering, but also in the biblical sense of allowing one's destiny to unfold as it should, and allowing one's self to experience all that life offers us. There is talk of "Giants" when talking of Thorn. Thorn is the name given to the Giant. The Giants (not the football team or the baseball team) may seem to be evil and destructive to the Aesir, but they bring about change, and eventually clear the way for a new age. Could Michael finally turn out to be "not as bad as he appears?" After he does "his job" maybe he'd clear up. I'll leave you guys with that last thought. Hope some of this gives you a better understanding on H6. I know this info surprised me a lot and helped me understand H6. I really loved the WYNN part. Thorn isn't just an evil rune. It can be both good and evil. Depending on which way the rune is set, can determine whether it's good or evil. This depends on which way the triangle part of the thorn symbol is facing. You see, it can also play a part in taking the evil OUT of the person cursed with it. This also goes along with what I said they could possibly do at the end of H7. How it can bring about that change it's seeking. You never know, something could trigger Michael to let the evil out of him, that protective rune, perhaps? Anyhow, I also thought I'd let everyone know how the thorn rune can also double the size of any animal for the duration of the spell. A doubling in this size would increase the weight by four times. With this, a gain of 50% over the "creature's" natural strength is probable as well. Could this explain why Michael is not affected by bullets or anything else? Can this explain why he got so BIG between parts 5 and 6? Discounting the fact that George Wilbur put on weight, could this be the explanation? The whole time that Wynn had Michael locked away (the six years) could this curse be building up in Michael? Thus, making him so much BIGGER and STRONGER than ever? I think this seems too coincidental not to be looked at! Look at the great storyline this presents. This finally could explain why Michael can't be killed. He gained all that strength over the years. Once that curse is lifted by that protective rune, I feel Myers would slowly lose all that power and bulk, returning him to a "normal" individual. - 19:06:26 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Anonymous Would be Evil Careerist. I suggest you restrict your evil career to pissing on people's fences. You don't seem like the felony type, but more like the disorderly conduct type. - 22:42:16 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Pathetic Peripatetic Pam, always traveling in circles. It's the only way you can keep saying goodbye and coming back. Get a book on geometry. Learn how to draw a diameter in a circle. Just follow the diameter and keep on going and you'll break out. Goodbye, Pam - 22:54:12 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:PAM, I'm beginning to doubt the sincerity of you actually wanting to leave. I don't recall you ever extending me your prose-like goodbye. I was so affected, I think I'd miss you if went away. - 23:06:38 on 29 Jan 99 GMT

Cugel "My thoughts exactly(!)" - 18:51:49 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Quake:Carl...I was so affected, I think I'd miss you if went away or cum here---dannutu. - 18:53:31 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

: - 18:54:00 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:Pam...Christopher Robin and I walked along... Under branches lit up by the moon... Posing our questions to --(-)Owl and Eeyore... As our days disappeared all too soon... But I've wandered much further today than I should... And I can't seem to find my way back to the Wood... - 18:57:58 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

payment - 18:58:24 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

trefoil - 18:58:53 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

pour milk onto the ground - 18:59:31 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Keith:hi i am an atheist really - 19:00:23 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Smoke:~~~penis,,,my sandbox runneth over - 19:01:25 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

moonboy---I fuck you tommorrow night. - 19:02:39 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Carl:OPEN. What is undignified about paying good money for worthless paper??? It's not worthless if someone wants to pay for it. This is the general feeling, especially in connection with Kotzash. Money is draining away, Delfin grumbled. Ruk told me to bring him shares and he'd give me more money. - 19:08:34 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

lucid dreaming.jan.31.azazel - 19:09:39 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Keri Tate:"Michael(!)" vagina - 19:10:47 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

fairy gold - 19:11:18 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Quake:Carl...I was so affected, I think I'd miss you if went away or cum here---dannutu. - 19:12:58 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

: - 19:13:19 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Sioned:PAPASAM...SHADU...SOUNDS LUCID - 19:17:26 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Peter Venkman... Marlene. It's true. This man has no dick. - 19:18:03 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

"Open Letter To A Landlord" - 19:25:55 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

modhu to Carl-Of th' adherent men without hats. Do you like Rammstein??? - 19:26:34 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam: It is revealed that some form of genetic research has been happening at Smith's Grove, with test tubes and DNA charts lying around. - 19:30:54 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Breaca sith - 19:31:26 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Quake:Carl...I was so affected, I think I'd miss you if went away or cum here---dannutu - 19:32:03 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Pam:Anagantios piseoga cailleach - 19:33:53 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

PapaSam:ALL. The postings about Christopher Robin, and genetic research were not mine. I still don't know what compels some individual(s) to use the names of others to post here. Obviously, it's a mental abberation. To whoever you are - help is out there. Go look for it. - 21:39:11 on 30 Jan 99 GMT

Grant:PAPASAM-- I too invite you to the new site. It's much better without the garbage posts. I wish Adam would visit there as well. - 21:49:54 on 30 Jan 99 GMT